Xymon 4.3.0-beta3 on iPad - tester needed
list Henrik Størner
Hi, I've had one report that the new Xymon menu (the one using CSS) does not work on an iPad. The same user reported that it *does* work in Apple's Safari browser. So I'm curious if one of you have an ipad and could verify this for me ? The http://www.xymon.com/ website uses the new CSS menu, so just point your iPad browser there and let me know if the menus are working or not. On a slightly related note, has anyone had problems installing Safari for Windows ? My installation hangs half-way through the installation while registering DLL's - so much that only a reboot can clean it up. Regards, Henrik
list Malcolm Hunter
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I've had one report that the new Xymon menu (the one using CSS) does not work on an iPad. The same user reported that it *does* work in Apple's Safari browser. So I'm curious if one of you have an ipad and could verify this for me ? The http://www.xymon.com/ website uses the new CSS menu, so just point your iPad browser there and let me know if the menus are working or not.
It also doesn't work properly on the iPhone. This is because there's no concept of "hover". Malcolm -- Wouldn't the sentence "I want to put a hyphen between the words FISH and AND and AND and CHIPS in my FISH-AND-CHIPS sign" have been clearer if quotation marks had been placed before "FISH," and between "FISH" and "and," and "and" and "AND," and "AND" and "and," and "and" and "AND," and "AND" and "and," and "and" and "CHIPS," as well as after "CHIPS?" NEU: FreePhone - kostenlos mobil telefonieren und surfen! Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone
list Paul Root
The menus do come up on Android, but it takes a single click. Paul Root Lead Internet Systems Eng Network Services
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-----Original Message-----
From: Malcolm Hunter [mailto:user-b3e590ffeb6d@xymon.invalid]
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 7:37 AM
To: xymon at xymon.com
Subject: Re: [xymon] Xymon 4.3.0-beta3 on iPad - tester needed
I've had one report that the new Xymon menu (the one using CSS) does not work on an iPad. The same user reported that it *does* work in Apple's Safari browser. So I'm curious if one of you have an ipad and could verify this for me ? The http://www.xymon.com/ website uses the new CSS menu, so just point your iPad browser there and let me know if the menus are working or not.
It also doesn't work properly on the iPhone. This is because there's no concept of "hover". Malcolm -- Wouldn't the sentence "I want to put a hyphen between the words FISH and AND and AND and CHIPS in my FISH-AND-CHIPS sign" have been clearer if quotation marks had been placed before "FISH," and between "FISH" and "and," and "and" and "AND," and "AND" and "and," and "and" and "AND," and "AND" and "and," and "and" and "CHIPS," as well as after "CHIPS?" NEU: FreePhone - kostenlos mobil telefonieren und surfen! Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone
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list Rob McBroom
What's so awful about clicking to invoke a menu anyway? It's a well-known interface and personally, I find it irritating to have some of the page's content obscured just because I moved the mouse to the “wrong” place. FYI, you can simulate some of the iPad browsing experience with Safari. In the Advanced section of the preferences, enable the Develop menu. On that menu, you can change the user-agent. Although it wouldn't help simulate the inability to hover, which is what was needed in this case. -- Rob McBroom <http://www.skurfer.com/>;
list Ryan Novosielski
I took that to be a description of behavior, not a complaint. I think this is just the way touch phones have to work unless there's a key modifier for mouseover or something. I understand this was a concern for Flash to. It works with a click on HP/Palm webOS too. -- Sent from my Palm Pre
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On Jan 12, 2011 9:14, Rob McBroom <user-371ba9bb5b75@xymon.invalid> wrote:
What's so awful about clicking to invoke a menu anyway? It's a well-known interface and personally, I find it irritating to have some of the page's content obscured just because I moved the mouse to the “wrong” place.
FYI, you can simulate some of the iPad browsing experience with Safari. In the Advanced section of the preferences, enable the Develop menu. On that menu, you can change the user-agent. Although it wouldn't help simulate the inability to hover, which is what was needed in this case.
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list Kenneth Langford
I will take a look at it this evening when I get home. Did not bring my iPad with me to work today. Ken,
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-----Original Message----- From: Henrik Størner [mailto:user-ce4a2c883f75@xymon.invalid] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 8:03 AM To: xymon at xymon.com Subject: [xymon] Xymon 4.3.0-beta3 on iPad - tester needed Hi, I've had one report that the new Xymon menu (the one using CSS) does not work on an iPad. The same user reported that it *does* work in Apple's Safari browser. So I'm curious if one of you have an ipad and could verify this for me ? The http://www.xymon.com/ website uses the new CSS menu, so just point your iPad browser there and let me know if the menus are working or not. On a slightly related note, has anyone had problems installing Safari for Windows ? My installation hangs half-way through the installation while registering DLL's - so much that only a reboot can clean it up. Regards, Henrik
list Ryan Novosielski
Works great on Palm Pre/webOS.
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-- Sent from my Palm Pre On Jan 12, 2011 15:42, Langford, Kenneth <user-d20c9ef29808@xymon.invalid> wrote: I will take a look at it this evening when I get home. Did not bring my iPad with me to work today. Ken, -----Original Message----- From: Henrik Størner [mailto:user-ce4a2c883f75@xymon.invalid] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 8:03 AM To: xymon at xymon.com Subject: [xymon] Xymon 4.3.0-beta3 on iPad - tester needed Hi, I've had one report that the new Xymon menu (the one using CSS) does not work on an iPad. The same user reported that it *does* work in Apple's Safari browser. So I'm curious if one of you have an ipad and could verify this for me ? The http://www.xymon.com/ website uses the new CSS menu, so just point your iPad browser there and let me know if the menus are working or not. On a slightly related note, has anyone had problems installing Safari for Windows ? My installation hangs half-way through the installation while registering DLL's - so much that only a reboot can clean it up. Regards, Henrik
list Kenneth Langford
Tried to use the menus on the iPad. No go. Changed the settings power the iPad on and off after changing the settings. Still no go. Even with the debug console turned on. No error messages were displayed to tell you why they were not working. It was if they were just a part of the background. I have Safari loaded on my PC. It has no problems with the menus. So the Safari on the iPad is not a full featured version. 8-( Ken, ---- Kenneth W. Langford Systems Engineer Siemens Product Lifecycle Management Software Inc. Industry Sector XXXX Eastman Drive, Milford, OH. 45150 Tel. : +X (XXX) XXX-XXXX Fax : +X (XXX) XXX-XXXX user-d20c9ef29808@xymon.invalid www.siemens.com/plm
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-----Original Message----- From: Henrik Størner [mailto:user-ce4a2c883f75@xymon.invalid] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 8:03 AM To: xymon at xymon.com Subject: [xymon] Xymon 4.3.0-beta3 on iPad - tester needed Hi, I've had one report that the new Xymon menu (the one using CSS) does not work on an iPad. The same user reported that it *does* work in Apple's Safari browser. So I'm curious if one of you have an ipad and could verify this for me ? The http://www.xymon.com/ website uses the new CSS menu, so just point your iPad browser there and let me know if the menus are working or not. On a slightly related note, has anyone had problems installing Safari for Windows ? My installation hangs half-way through the installation while registering DLL's - so much that only a reboot can clean it up. Regards, Henrik
list Henrik Størner
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In <user-e568cd087687@xymon.invalid> "Langford, Kenneth" <user-d20c9ef29808@xymon.invalid> writes:
Tried to use the menus on the iPad. No go. Changed the settings power the= iPad on and off after changing the settings. Still no go. Even with the = debug console turned on. No error messages were displayed to tell you why = they were not working. It was if they were just a part of the background.
I have Safari loaded on my PC. It has no problems with the menus.
So the Safari on the iPad is not a full featured version. 8-(
Thanks, this matches the other report I had. Some google'ing indicates that the problem is with the CSS "hover" attribute, which kind of makes sense since the iPad (and similar devices) do not have a mouse that can "hover" above anything. There are some hints for work- arounds, but I haven't had the chance to try implementing any. CSS and/or iPad savvy users are very welcome to see if they can find a solution :-) Even if it means coming up with a different stylesheet for the iPad. Regards, Henrik
list Paul Root
I tried it out on my wife's Nook Color. The menus pop up when you touch them. So it should be very useful. The Nook is Android based as well. Paul Root Lead Internet Systems Eng Qwest Network Services
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-----Original Message-----
From: Henrik Størner [mailto:user-ce4a2c883f75@xymon.invalid]
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 4:39 AM
To: xymon at xymon.com
Subject: Re: [xymon] Xymon 4.3.0-beta3 on iPad - tester needed
In <user-e568cd087687@xymon.invalid> "Langford, Kenneth" <user-d20c9ef29808@xymon.invalid> writes:
Tried to use the menus on the iPad. No go. Changed the settings power the= iPad on and off after changing the settings. Still no go. Even with the = debug console turned on. No error messages were displayed to tell you why = they were not working. It was if they were just a part of the background.
I have Safari loaded on my PC. It has no problems with the menus.
So the Safari on the iPad is not a full featured version. 8-(
Thanks, this matches the other report I had. Some google'ing indicates that the problem is with the CSS "hover" attribute, which kind of makes sense since the iPad (and similar devices) do not have a mouse that can "hover" above anything. There are some hints for work- arounds, but I haven't had the chance to try implementing any. CSS and/or iPad savvy users are very welcome to see if they can find a solution :-) Even if it means coming up with a different stylesheet for the iPad. Regards, Henrik This communication is the property of Qwest and may contain confidential or privileged information. Unauthorized use of this communication is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the communication and any attachments.
list Ryan Novosielski
That is true, but Palm devices to allow for a click. I think Android handles this as well. Seems like a large oversight to not allow for hover somehow. -- Sent from my Palm Pre On Jan 15, 2011 5:41, Henrik Størner <user-ce4a2c883f75@xymon.invalid> wrote: In <user-e568cd087687@xymon.invalid> "Langford, Kenneth" <user-d20c9ef29808@xymon.invalid> writes: >Tried to use the menus on the iPad. No go. Changed the settings power the= > iPad on and off after changing the settings. Still no go. Even with the = >debug console turned on. No error messages were displayed to tell you why = >they were not working. It was if they were just a part of the background. >I have Safari loaded on my PC. It has no problems with the menus. >So the Safari on the iPad is not a full featured version. 8-(
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Thanks, this matches the other report I had. Some google'ing indicates
that the problem is with the CSS "hover" attribute, which kind of
makes sense since the iPad (and similar devices) do not have a mouse
that can "hover" above anything. There are some hints for work-
arounds, but I haven't had the chance to try implementing any.
CSS and/or iPad savvy users are very welcome to see if they can find
a solution :-) Even if it means coming up with a different stylesheet
for the iPad.
Regards,
Henrik
list Martin Flemming
Yep, I've tested it today with android 2.1 and it works well :-) cheers, martin
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2011, Ryan Novosielski wrote:
That is true, but Palm devices to allow for a click. I think Android handles this as well. Seems like a large oversight to not allow for hover somehow. -- Sent from my Palm Pre On Jan 15, 2011 5:41, Henrik Størner <user-ce4a2c883f75@xymon.invalid> wrote: In <user-e568cd087687@xymon.invalid> "Langford, Kenneth" <user-d20c9ef29808@xymon.invalid> writes:Tried to use the menus on the iPad. No go. Changed the settings power the= iPad on and off after changing the settings. Still no go. Even with the = debug console turned on. No error messages were displayed to tell you why = they were not working. It was if they were just a part of the background.I have Safari loaded on my PC. It has no problems with the menus.So the Safari on the iPad is not a full featured version. 8-(Thanks, this matches the other report I had. Some google'ing indicates that the problem is with the CSS "hover" attribute, which kind of makes sense since the iPad (and similar devices) do not have a mouse that can "hover" above anything. There are some hints for work- arounds, but I haven't had the chance to try implementing any. CSS and/or iPad savvy users are very welcome to see if they can find a solution :-) Even if it means coming up with a different stylesheet for the iPad. Regards, Henrik