Questions about migrating from BB 🔗 link

Next, my network machines. I don't really want to have to install

RRDTool on it. Is that really necessary? Isn't it only used for display,
or is it also needed by a machine that only does network testing? It
looks like then as far as splitting up which tests run from where, I can
use BBLOCATION and NET:$BBLOCATION, but it appears as if this is by
host, not by test. Any recommendations?

Lastly, is there any concept of escalation in xymon as there is in BB? I
wouldn't necessarily miss it, but I do currently use it. (Escalation is
that no one can acknowledge a page in such a way that will keep it from
reaching the escalated party, except that person).

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Ryan Novosielski <user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid>wrote:

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Good afternoon,

I am new to this list and probably will be new to xymon shortly. I have
currently installed it and am testing it out.

My current BB system consists of a BBDISPLAY machine, and two BBNET
machines. The two BBNET machines are on either sides of a firewall and
are housed on two different Solaris 10 zones.

I /think/ I know how to set this up, but there are some aspects of it
that look like they might be irritating if there's no good answer for them:

First off, my BBDISPLAY does no network monitoring. This looks as simple
as setting DISABLE on the appropriate part of hobbitlaunch.cfg, so this
seems pretty easy.

Next, my network machines. I don't really want to have to install
RRDTool on it. Is that really necessary? Isn't it only used for display,
or is it also needed by a machine that only does network testing? It
looks like then as far as splitting up which tests run from where, I can
use BBLOCATION and NET:$BBLOCATION, but it appears as if this is by
host, not by test. Any recommendations?

Lastly, is there any concept of escalation in xymon as there is in BB? I
wouldn't necessarily miss it, but I do currently use it. (Escalation is
that no one can acknowledge a page in such a way that will keep it from
reaching the escalated party, except that person).
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Josh Luthman wrote:

Next, my network machines. I don't really want to have to install

RRDTool on it. Is that really necessary? Isn't it only used for display,
or is it also needed by a machine that only does network testing? It
looks like then as far as splitting up which tests run from where, I can
use BBLOCATION and NET:$BBLOCATION, but it appears as if this is by
host, not by test. Any recommendations?

When you say "machines" you're saying it plural - you'll only have to
install it on the bbdisplay (what server you query for WWW pages).  If
you don't want rrdtool you won't have graphs - when you do the configure
just say you don't have rrdtool.  The bbproxy/net machines have no need
for rrdtool.  Graphs aren't crucial but they can most certainly help in
several cases.

I know some people have issues using NET: but you might want to read
through the archives.  From my understanding, it is by host not test as
well.

Lastly, is there any concept of escalation in xymon as there is in BB? I
wouldn't necessarily miss it, but I do currently use it. (Escalation is
that no one can acknowledge a page in such a way that will keep it from
reaching the escalated party, except that person).

Maybe look at the critical list of hosts -
http://www.hswn.dk/hobbiton/2007/03/msg00315.html

<mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid>> wrote:

Good afternoon,

I am new to this list and probably will be new to xymon shortly. I have
currently installed it and am testing it out.

My current BB system consists of a BBDISPLAY machine, and two BBNET
machines. The two BBNET machines are on either sides of a firewall and
are housed on two different Solaris 10 zones.

I /think/ I know how to set this up, but there are some aspects of it
that look like they might be irritating if there's no good answer
for them:

First off, my BBDISPLAY does no network monitoring. This looks as simple
as setting DISABLE on the appropriate part of hobbitlaunch.cfg, so this
seems pretty easy.

Next, my network machines. I don't really want to have to install
RRDTool on it. Is that really necessary? Isn't it only used for display,
or is it also needed by a machine that only does network testing? It
looks like then as far as splitting up which tests run from where, I can
use BBLOCATION and NET:$BBLOCATION, but it appears as if this is by
host, not by test. Any recommendations?

Lastly, is there any concept of escalation in xymon as there is in BB? I
wouldn't necessarily miss it, but I do currently use it. (Escalation is
that no one can acknowledge a page in such a way that will keep it from
reaching the escalated party, except that person).

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 |$&| |__| |  | |__/ | \| _| |user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid - 973/972.0922 (2-0922)
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Office: XXX-XXX-XXXX
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XXXX Wayne St
Suite XXXX
Troy, OH XXXXX

"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Ryan Novosielski <user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid>wrote:

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Josh Luthman wrote:

Next, my network machines. I don't really want to have to install

RRDTool on it. Is that really necessary? Isn't it only used for display,
or is it also needed by a machine that only does network testing? It
looks like then as far as splitting up which tests run from where, I can
use BBLOCATION and NET:$BBLOCATION, but it appears as if this is by
host, not by test. Any recommendations?

When you say "machines" you're saying it plural - you'll only have to
install it on the bbdisplay (what server you query for WWW pages).  If
you don't want rrdtool you won't have graphs - when you do the configure
just say you don't have rrdtool.  The bbproxy/net machines have no need
for rrdtool.  Graphs aren't crucial but they can most certainly help in
several cases.

Yes, I have two network test machines that do not run the display --
these were that I was talking about. I already have rrdtool on the
display machine and the graphs work. I did not know there was a way to
say that I don't have rrdtool. I'll look through configure, I suppose,
but I didn't see anything like "--without-rrdtool" as is often present
in other software.

I know some people have issues using NET: but you might want to read
through the archives.  From my understanding, it is by host not test as
well.

Thanks, I'll hunt around.

Lastly, is there any concept of escalation in xymon as there is in BB? I
wouldn't necessarily miss it, but I do currently use it. (Escalation is
that no one can acknowledge a page in such a way that will keep it from
reaching the escalated party, except that person).

Maybe look at the critical list of hosts -
http://www.hswn.dk/hobbiton/2007/03/msg00315.html

Thanks.

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Ryan Novosielski <user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid
<mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid>> wrote:

Good afternoon,

I am new to this list and probably will be new to xymon shortly. I have
currently installed it and am testing it out.

My current BB system consists of a BBDISPLAY machine, and two BBNET
machines. The two BBNET machines are on either sides of a firewall and
are housed on two different Solaris 10 zones.

I /think/ I know how to set this up, but there are some aspects of it
that look like they might be irritating if there's no good answer
for them:

First off, my BBDISPLAY does no network monitoring. This looks as simple
as setting DISABLE on the appropriate part of hobbitlaunch.cfg, so this
seems pretty easy.

Next, my network machines. I don't really want to have to install
RRDTool on it. Is that really necessary? Isn't it only used for display,
or is it also needed by a machine that only does network testing? It
looks like then as far as splitting up which tests run from where, I can
use BBLOCATION and NET:$BBLOCATION, but it appears as if this is by
host, not by test. Any recommendations?

Lastly, is there any concept of escalation in xymon as there is in BB? I
wouldn't necessarily miss it, but I do currently use it. (Escalation is
that no one can acknowledge a page in such a way that will keep it from
reaching the escalated party, except that person).

- --
 ---- _  _ _  _ ___  _  _  _
 |Y#| |  | |\/| |  \ |\ |  | |Ryan Novosielski - Systems Programmer II
 |$&| |__| |  | |__/ | \| _| |user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid - 973/972.0922 (2-0922)
 \__/ Univ. of Med. and Dent.|IST/CST - NJMS Medical Science Bldg - C630
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Josh Luthman wrote:

From memory..few years of dust on that...

After you do a ./configure.server it will ask about RRDtool if it can't
be found - I would imagine if you just leave it blank it would skip over
the RRDtool parts.  Also, like you said, ./configure.server --help may
answer that better.

Josh Luthman
Office: XXX-XXX-XXXX
Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX
XXXX Wayne St
Suite XXXX
Troy, OH XXXXX

"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Ryan Novosielski <user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid
<mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid>> wrote:

Josh Luthman wrote:

Next, my network machines. I don't really want to have to install

RRDTool on it. Is that really necessary? Isn't it only used for
display,
or is it also needed by a machine that only does network testing? It
looks like then as far as splitting up which tests run from where,

I can

use BBLOCATION and NET:$BBLOCATION, but it appears as if this is by
host, not by test. Any recommendations?

When you say "machines" you're saying it plural - you'll only have to
install it on the bbdisplay (what server you query for WWW pages).  If
you don't want rrdtool you won't have graphs - when you do the
configure
just say you don't have rrdtool.  The bbproxy/net machines have no
need
for rrdtool.  Graphs aren't crucial but they can most certainly
help in
several cases.

Yes, I have two network test machines that do not run the display --
these were that I was talking about. I already have rrdtool on the
display machine and the graphs work. I did not know there was a way to
say that I don't have rrdtool. I'll look through configure, I suppose,
but I didn't see anything like "--without-rrdtool" as is often present
in other software.

I know some people have issues using NET: but you might want to read
through the archives.  From my understanding, it is by host not
test as
well.

Thanks, I'll hunt around.

Lastly, is there any concept of escalation in xymon as there is
in BB? I
wouldn't necessarily miss it, but I do currently use it.

(Escalation is

that no one can acknowledge a page in such a way that will keep it
from
reaching the escalated party, except that person).

Maybe look at the critical list of hosts -
http://www.hswn.dk/hobbiton/2007/03/msg00315.html

Thanks.

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Ryan Novosielski

<user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid>

<mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid>>> wrote:

Good afternoon,

I am new to this list and probably will be new to xymon shortly. I
have
currently installed it and am testing it out.

My current BB system consists of a BBDISPLAY machine, and two BBNET
machines. The two BBNET machines are on either sides of a firewall and
are housed on two different Solaris 10 zones.

I /think/ I know how to set this up, but there are some aspects of it
that look like they might be irritating if there's no good answer
for them:

First off, my BBDISPLAY does no network monitoring. This looks as
simple
as setting DISABLE on the appropriate part of hobbitlaunch.cfg, so
this
seems pretty easy.

Next, my network machines. I don't really want to have to install
RRDTool on it. Is that really necessary? Isn't it only used for
display,
or is it also needed by a machine that only does network testing? It
looks like then as far as splitting up which tests run from where,

I can

use BBLOCATION and NET:$BBLOCATION, but it appears as if this is by
host, not by test. Any recommendations?

Lastly, is there any concept of escalation in xymon as there is in

BB? I

wouldn't necessarily miss it, but I do currently use it.

(Escalation is

that no one can acknowledge a page in such a way that will keep it
from
reaching the escalated party, except that person).

- --
 ---- _  _ _  _ ___  _  _  _
 |Y#| |  | |\/| |  \ |\ |  | |Ryan Novosielski - Systems Programmer II
 |$&| |__| |  | |__/ | \| _| |user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid - 973/972.0922 (2-0922)
 \__/ Univ. of Med. and Dent.|IST/CST - NJMS Medical Science Bldg - C630
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Ryan Novosielski wrote:

Apparently not. :-\

Checking for RRDtool ...
RRDtool include- or library-files not found. These are REQUIRED for hobbitd
RRDtool can be found at http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/rrdtool/
If you have RRDtool installed, use the "--rrdinclude DIR" and "--rrdlib DIR"
options to configure to specify where they are.

I guess no big deal.

Josh Luthman wrote:

From memory..few years of dust on that...

After you do a ./configure.server it will ask about RRDtool if it can't
be found - I would imagine if you just leave it blank it would skip over
the RRDtool parts.  Also, like you said, ./configure.server --help may
answer that better.

Josh Luthman
Office: XXX-XXX-XXXX
Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX
XXXX Wayne St
Suite XXXX
Troy, OH XXXXX

"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Ryan Novosielski <user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid
<mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid>> wrote:

Josh Luthman wrote:

Next, my network machines. I don't really want to have to install

RRDTool on it. Is that really necessary? Isn't it only used for
display,
or is it also needed by a machine that only does network testing? It
looks like then as far as splitting up which tests run from where,

I can

use BBLOCATION and NET:$BBLOCATION, but it appears as if this is by
host, not by test. Any recommendations?
When you say "machines" you're saying it plural - you'll only have to
install it on the bbdisplay (what server you query for WWW pages).  If
you don't want rrdtool you won't have graphs - when you do the
configure
just say you don't have rrdtool.  The bbproxy/net machines have no
need
for rrdtool.  Graphs aren't crucial but they can most certainly
help in
several cases.

Yes, I have two network test machines that do not run the display --
these were that I was talking about. I already have rrdtool on the
display machine and the graphs work. I did not know there was a way to
say that I don't have rrdtool. I'll look through configure, I suppose,
but I didn't see anything like "--without-rrdtool" as is often present
in other software.

I know some people have issues using NET: but you might want to read
through the archives.  From my understanding, it is by host not
test as
well.

Thanks, I'll hunt around.

Lastly, is there any concept of escalation in xymon as there is
in BB? I
wouldn't necessarily miss it, but I do currently use it.

(Escalation is

that no one can acknowledge a page in such a way that will keep it
from
reaching the escalated party, except that person).
Maybe look at the critical list of hosts -
http://www.hswn.dk/hobbiton/2007/03/msg00315.html

Thanks.

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Ryan Novosielski

<user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid>

<mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid>>> wrote:
Good afternoon,
I am new to this list and probably will be new to xymon shortly. I
have
currently installed it and am testing it out.
My current BB system consists of a BBDISPLAY machine, and two BBNET
machines. The two BBNET machines are on either sides of a firewall and
are housed on two different Solaris 10 zones.
I /think/ I know how to set this up, but there are some aspects of it
that look like they might be irritating if there's no good answer
for them:
First off, my BBDISPLAY does no network monitoring. This looks as
simple
as setting DISABLE on the appropriate part of hobbitlaunch.cfg, so
this
seems pretty easy.
Next, my network machines. I don't really want to have to install
RRDTool on it. Is that really necessary? Isn't it only used for
display,
or is it also needed by a machine that only does network testing? It
looks like then as far as splitting up which tests run from where,

I can

use BBLOCATION and NET:$BBLOCATION, but it appears as if this is by
host, not by test. Any recommendations?
Lastly, is there any concept of escalation in xymon as there is in

BB? I

wouldn't necessarily miss it, but I do currently use it.

(Escalation is

that no one can acknowledge a page in such a way that will keep it
from
reaching the escalated party, except that person).

- ------------------------------------------------------------------------


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 |$&| |__| |  | |__/ | \| _| |user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid - 973/972.0922 (2-0922)
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Office: XXX-XXX-XXXX
Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX
XXXX Wayne St
Suite XXXX
Troy, OH XXXXX

"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Ryan Novosielski <user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid>wrote:

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One, possibly last, question:

In the process of migrating my bb-hosts file from BigBrother to xymon
and duplicating my current BB setup, it appears as if I managed to lose
the tests for bbgen, bbtest, hobbitd... maybe another as well. I can't
figure out what it is that causes these tests to show up, as I do not
believe they were spelled out in the default bb-hosts file. Can anyone
point me to either some good docs on that or an answer?

Currently, on the "BBDISPLAY" machine I have bbnet and bbretest
disabled. However, stats for these processes do not show up on the
"BBNET" machines either (sorry to use BB terminology but it does not
appear that xymon has any term to make the description easy). The BBNET
machines have hobbitd, bbhistory, bbpage, rrdstatus, rrddata,
clientdata, and bbdisplay disabled.

Thanks for any help!

Ryan Novosielski wrote:

Apparently not. :-\

Checking for RRDtool ...
RRDtool include- or library-files not found. These are REQUIRED for
hobbitd
RRDtool can be found at

If you have RRDtool installed, use the "--rrdinclude DIR" and "--rrdlib

DIR"

options to configure to specify where they are.

I guess no big deal.

Josh Luthman wrote:

From memory..few years of dust on that...

After you do a ./configure.server it will ask about RRDtool if it can't
be found - I would imagine if you just leave it blank it would skip over
the RRDtool parts.  Also, like you said, ./configure.server --help may
answer that better.

Josh Luthman
Office: XXX-XXX-XXXX
Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX
XXXX Wayne St
Suite XXXX
Troy, OH XXXXX

"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Ryan Novosielski <user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid
<mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid>> wrote:

Josh Luthman wrote:

Next, my network machines. I don't really want to have to install

RRDTool on it. Is that really necessary? Isn't it only used for
display,
or is it also needed by a machine that only does network testing? It
looks like then as far as splitting up which tests run from where,

I can

use BBLOCATION and NET:$BBLOCATION, but it appears as if this is by
host, not by test. Any recommendations?
When you say "machines" you're saying it plural - you'll only have to
install it on the bbdisplay (what server you query for WWW pages).  If
you don't want rrdtool you won't have graphs - when you do the
configure
just say you don't have rrdtool.  The bbproxy/net machines have no
need
for rrdtool.  Graphs aren't crucial but they can most certainly
help in
several cases.

Yes, I have two network test machines that do not run the display --
these were that I was talking about. I already have rrdtool on the
display machine and the graphs work. I did not know there was a way to
say that I don't have rrdtool. I'll look through configure, I suppose,
but I didn't see anything like "--without-rrdtool" as is often present
in other software.

I know some people have issues using NET: but you might want to read
through the archives.  From my understanding, it is by host not
test as
well.

Thanks, I'll hunt around.

Lastly, is there any concept of escalation in xymon as there is
in BB? I
wouldn't necessarily miss it, but I do currently use it.

(Escalation is

that no one can acknowledge a page in such a way that will keep it
from
reaching the escalated party, except that person).
Maybe look at the critical list of hosts -
http://www.hswn.dk/hobbiton/2007/03/msg00315.html

Thanks.

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Ryan Novosielski

<user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid>

<mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid>>> wrote:
Good afternoon,
I am new to this list and probably will be new to xymon shortly. I
have
currently installed it and am testing it out.
My current BB system consists of a BBDISPLAY machine, and two BBNET
machines. The two BBNET machines are on either sides of a firewall and
are housed on two different Solaris 10 zones.
I /think/ I know how to set this up, but there are some aspects of it
that look like they might be irritating if there's no good answer
for them:
First off, my BBDISPLAY does no network monitoring. This looks as
simple
as setting DISABLE on the appropriate part of hobbitlaunch.cfg, so
this
seems pretty easy.
Next, my network machines. I don't really want to have to install
RRDTool on it. Is that really necessary? Isn't it only used for
display,
or is it also needed by a machine that only does network testing? It
looks like then as far as splitting up which tests run from where,

I can

use BBLOCATION and NET:$BBLOCATION, but it appears as if this is by
host, not by test. Any recommendations?
Lastly, is there any concept of escalation in xymon as there is in

BB? I

wouldn't necessarily miss it, but I do currently use it.

(Escalation is

that no one can acknowledge a page in such a way that will keep it
from
reaching the escalated party, except that person).

- ------------------------------------------------------------------------


- --
 ---- _  _ _  _ ___  _  _  _
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 |$&| |__| |  | |__/ | \| _| |user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid - 973/972.0922 (2-0922)
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http://xymon.com/hobbit/servers/servers.html

With it's bb-host here:
http://xymon.com/hobbit-cgi/viewconf.sh

I think that answers your question.  Let me know if otherwise.

Josh Luthman
Office: XXX-XXX-XXXX
Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX
XXXX Wayne St
Suite XXXX
Troy, OH XXXXX

"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Ryan Novosielski <user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid
<mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid>> wrote:

One, possibly last, question:

In the process of migrating my bb-hosts file from BigBrother to xymon
and duplicating my current BB setup, it appears as if I managed to lose
the tests for bbgen, bbtest, hobbitd... maybe another as well. I can't
figure out what it is that causes these tests to show up, as I do not
believe they were spelled out in the default bb-hosts file. Can anyone
point me to either some good docs on that or an answer?

Currently, on the "BBDISPLAY" machine I have bbnet and bbretest
disabled. However, stats for these processes do not show up on the
"BBNET" machines either (sorry to use BB terminology but it does not
appear that xymon has any term to make the description easy). The BBNET
machines have hobbitd, bbhistory, bbpage, rrdstatus, rrddata,
clientdata, and bbdisplay disabled.

Thanks for any help!

Ryan Novosielski wrote:

Apparently not. :-\

Checking for RRDtool ...
RRDtool include- or library-files not found. These are REQUIRED
for hobbitd
RRDtool can be found at
http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/rrdtool/

Josh Luthman wrote:

From memory..few years of dust on that...

After you do a ./configure.server it will ask about RRDtool if it
can't
be found - I would imagine if you just leave it blank it would
skip over
the RRDtool parts.  Also, like you said, ./configure.server

--help may

answer that better.

Josh Luthman
Office: XXX-XXX-XXXX
Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX
XXXX Wayne St
Suite XXXX
Troy, OH XXXXX

"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Ryan Novosielski

<user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid>

<mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid>>> wrote:

Josh Luthman wrote:

Next, my network machines. I don't really want to have to install

RRDTool on it. Is that really necessary? Isn't it only used for
display,
or is it also needed by a machine that only does network testing? It
looks like then as far as splitting up which tests run from where,

I can

use BBLOCATION and NET:$BBLOCATION, but it appears as if this is by
host, not by test. Any recommendations?
When you say "machines" you're saying it plural - you'll only
have to
install it on the bbdisplay (what server you query for WWW
pages).  If
you don't want rrdtool you won't have graphs - when you do the
configure
just say you don't have rrdtool.  The bbproxy/net machines have no
need
for rrdtool.  Graphs aren't crucial but they can most certainly
help in
several cases.

Yes, I have two network test machines that do not run the display --
these were that I was talking about. I already have rrdtool on the
display machine and the graphs work. I did not know there was a
way to
say that I don't have rrdtool. I'll look through configure, I
suppose,
but I didn't see anything like "--without-rrdtool" as is often
present
in other software.

I know some people have issues using NET: but you might want to read
through the archives.  From my understanding, it is by host not
test as
well.

Thanks, I'll hunt around.

Lastly, is there any concept of escalation in xymon as there is
in BB? I
wouldn't necessarily miss it, but I do currently use it.

(Escalation is

that no one can acknowledge a page in such a way that will keep it
from
reaching the escalated party, except that person).
Maybe look at the critical list of hosts -
http://www.hswn.dk/hobbiton/2007/03/msg00315.html

Thanks.

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Ryan Novosielski

<user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid>

<mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid>>>> wrote:

Good afternoon,
I am new to this list and probably will be new to xymon shortly. I
have
currently installed it and am testing it out.
My current BB system consists of a BBDISPLAY machine, and two BBNET
machines. The two BBNET machines are on either sides of a
firewall and
are housed on two different Solaris 10 zones.
I /think/ I know how to set this up, but there are some aspects
of it
that look like they might be irritating if there's no good answer
for them:
First off, my BBDISPLAY does no network monitoring. This looks as
simple
as setting DISABLE on the appropriate part of hobbitlaunch.cfg, so
this
seems pretty easy.
Next, my network machines. I don't really want to have to install
RRDTool on it. Is that really necessary? Isn't it only used for
display,
or is it also needed by a machine that only does network testing? It
looks like then as far as splitting up which tests run from where,

I can

use BBLOCATION and NET:$BBLOCATION, but it appears as if this is by
host, not by test. Any recommendations?
Lastly, is there any concept of escalation in xymon as there is in

BB? I

wouldn't necessarily miss it, but I do currently use it.

(Escalation is

that no one can acknowledge a page in such a way that will keep it
from
reaching the escalated party, except that person).

• ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Josh Luthman
Office: XXX-XXX-XXXX
Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX
XXXX Wayne St
Suite XXXX
Troy, OH XXXXX

"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Ryan Novosielski <user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid>wrote:

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Yeah, I took a look at that before writing. There's nothing missing that
I can see that refers to anything like that. Only think I can think of
is that the client piece may not be using the same hostname as my
machine. I don't know what xymon does in cases where one is using FQDN
and one isn't. My bb-hosts line is:

130.219.34.102  xymon.umdnj.edu # BBDISPLAY bbd ssh !telnet !ftp

So I'm only missing some extraneous stuff, if I compare it to their
line. I don't think the CLIENT piece is strictly required. I guess I
will re-read the man page for bb-hosts.

Josh Luthman wrote:

Compare the first host voodoo.hswn.dk <http://voodoo.hswn.dk>;:
http://xymon.com/hobbit/servers/servers.html

With it's bb-host here:
http://xymon.com/hobbit-cgi/viewconf.sh

I think that answers your question.  Let me know if otherwise.

Josh Luthman
Office: XXX-XXX-XXXX
Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX
XXXX Wayne St
Suite XXXX
Troy, OH XXXXX

"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Ryan Novosielski <user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid
<mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid>> wrote:

One, possibly last, question:

In the process of migrating my bb-hosts file from BigBrother to xymon
and duplicating my current BB setup, it appears as if I managed to lose
the tests for bbgen, bbtest, hobbitd... maybe another as well. I can't
figure out what it is that causes these tests to show up, as I do not
believe they were spelled out in the default bb-hosts file. Can anyone
point me to either some good docs on that or an answer?

Currently, on the "BBDISPLAY" machine I have bbnet and bbretest
disabled. However, stats for these processes do not show up on the
"BBNET" machines either (sorry to use BB terminology but it does not
appear that xymon has any term to make the description easy). The BBNET
machines have hobbitd, bbhistory, bbpage, rrdstatus, rrddata,
clientdata, and bbdisplay disabled.

Thanks for any help!

Ryan Novosielski wrote:

Apparently not. :-\

Checking for RRDtool ...
RRDtool include- or library-files not found. These are REQUIRED
for hobbitd
RRDtool can be found at
http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/rrdtool/<http://people.ee.ethz.ch/%7Eoetiker/webtools/rrdtool/>;

<http://people.ee.ethz.ch/%7Eoetiker/webtools/rrdtool/>;

If you have RRDtool installed, use the "--rrdinclude DIR" and

"--rrdlib DIR"

options to configure to specify where they are.

I guess no big deal.

Josh Luthman wrote:

From memory..few years of dust on that...

After you do a ./configure.server it will ask about RRDtool if it
can't
be found - I would imagine if you just leave it blank it would
skip over
the RRDtool parts.  Also, like you said, ./configure.server

--help may

answer that better.

Josh Luthman
Office: XXX-XXX-XXXX
Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX
XXXX Wayne St
Suite XXXX
Troy, OH XXXXX

"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Ryan Novosielski

<user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid>

<mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid>>> wrote:

Josh Luthman wrote:

Next, my network machines. I don't really want to have to install

RRDTool on it. Is that really necessary? Isn't it only used for
display,
or is it also needed by a machine that only does network testing? It
looks like then as far as splitting up which tests run from where,

I can

use BBLOCATION and NET:$BBLOCATION, but it appears as if this is by
host, not by test. Any recommendations?
When you say "machines" you're saying it plural - you'll only
have to
install it on the bbdisplay (what server you query for WWW
pages).  If
you don't want rrdtool you won't have graphs - when you do the
configure
just say you don't have rrdtool.  The bbproxy/net machines have no
need
for rrdtool.  Graphs aren't crucial but they can most certainly
help in
several cases.

Yes, I have two network test machines that do not run the display --
these were that I was talking about. I already have rrdtool on the
display machine and the graphs work. I did not know there was a
way to
say that I don't have rrdtool. I'll look through configure, I
suppose,
but I didn't see anything like "--without-rrdtool" as is often
present
in other software.

I know some people have issues using NET: but you might want to read
through the archives.  From my understanding, it is by host not
test as
well.

Thanks, I'll hunt around.

Lastly, is there any concept of escalation in xymon as there is
in BB? I
wouldn't necessarily miss it, but I do currently use it.

(Escalation is

that no one can acknowledge a page in such a way that will keep it
from
reaching the escalated party, except that person).
Maybe look at the critical list of hosts -
http://www.hswn.dk/hobbiton/2007/03/msg00315.html

Thanks.

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Ryan Novosielski

<user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid>

<mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid>>>> wrote:

Good afternoon,
I am new to this list and probably will be new to xymon shortly. I
have
currently installed it and am testing it out.
My current BB system consists of a BBDISPLAY machine, and two BBNET
machines. The two BBNET machines are on either sides of a
firewall and
are housed on two different Solaris 10 zones.
I /think/ I know how to set this up, but there are some aspects
of it
that look like they might be irritating if there's no good answer
for them:
First off, my BBDISPLAY does no network monitoring. This looks as
simple
as setting DISABLE on the appropriate part of hobbitlaunch.cfg, so
this
seems pretty easy.
Next, my network machines. I don't really want to have to install
RRDTool on it. Is that really necessary? Isn't it only used for
display,
or is it also needed by a machine that only does network testing? It
looks like then as far as splitting up which tests run from where,

I can

use BBLOCATION and NET:$BBLOCATION, but it appears as if this is by
host, not by test. Any recommendations?
Lastly, is there any concept of escalation in xymon as there is in

BB? I

wouldn't necessarily miss it, but I do currently use it.

(Escalation is

that no one can acknowledge a page in such a way that will keep it
from
reaching the escalated party, except that person).

• ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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 |$&| |__| |  | |__/ | \| _| |user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid - 973/972.0922 (2-0922)
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On 9/17/09, Josh Luthman <user-4c45a83f15cb@xymon.invalid> wrote:

If you want the clients to send their data to the server you need to
specify (for Hobbit clients)

BBDISP="74.218.88.184"             # IP address of the Hobbit server
BBDISPLAYS=""                   # IP of multiple Hobbit servers. BBDISP
must be "0.0.0.0".

/home/hobbitman/client/etc/hobbitclient.cfg

For bbclients (I have no experience with them myself) you simply switch
from the old to the new address.

Josh Luthman
Office: XXX-XXX-XXXX
Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX
XXXX Wayne St
Suite XXXX
Troy, OH XXXXX

"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


 On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Ryan Novosielski <user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid>wrote:

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1


Yeah, I took a look at that before writing. There's nothing missing that
I can see that refers to anything like that. Only think I can think of
is that the client piece may not be using the same hostname as my
machine. I don't know what xymon does in cases where one is using FQDN
and one isn't. My bb-hosts line is:

130.219.34.102  xymon.umdnj.edu # BBDISPLAY bbd ssh !telnet !ftp

So I'm only missing some extraneous stuff, if I compare it to their
line. I don't think the CLIENT piece is strictly required. I guess I
will re-read the man page for bb-hosts.

Josh Luthman wrote:

Compare the first host voodoo.hswn.dk <http://voodoo.hswn.dk>;:
http://xymon.com/hobbit/servers/servers.html

With it's bb-host here:
http://xymon.com/hobbit-cgi/viewconf.sh

I think that answers your question.  Let me know if otherwise.

Josh Luthman
Office: XXX-XXX-XXXX
Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX
XXXX Wayne St
Suite XXXX
Troy, OH XXXXX

"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Ryan Novosielski <user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid

<mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid>> wrote:

One, possibly last, question:

In the process of migrating my bb-hosts file from BigBrother to xymon
and duplicating my current BB setup, it appears as if I managed to lose
the tests for bbgen, bbtest, hobbitd... maybe another as well. I can't
figure out what it is that causes these tests to show up, as I do not
believe they were spelled out in the default bb-hosts file. Can anyone
point me to either some good docs on that or an answer?

Currently, on the "BBDISPLAY" machine I have bbnet and bbretest
disabled. However, stats for these processes do not show up on the
"BBNET" machines either (sorry to use BB terminology but it does not
appear that xymon has any term to make the description easy). The BBNET
machines have hobbitd, bbhistory, bbpage, rrdstatus, rrddata,
clientdata, and bbdisplay disabled.

Thanks for any help!

Ryan Novosielski wrote:

Apparently not. :-\

Checking for RRDtool ...
RRDtool include- or library-files not found. These are REQUIRED
for hobbitd
RRDtool can be found at
http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/rrdtool/<http://people.ee.ethz.ch/%7Eoetiker/webtools/rrdtool/>;

<http://people.ee.ethz.ch/%7Eoetiker/webtools/rrdtool/>;

If you have RRDtool installed, use the "--rrdinclude DIR" and

"--rrdlib DIR"

options to configure to specify where they are.

I guess no big deal.

Josh Luthman wrote:

From memory..few years of dust on that...

After you do a ./configure.server it will ask about RRDtool if it
can't
be found - I would imagine if you just leave it blank it would
skip over
the RRDtool parts.  Also, like you said, ./configure.server

--help may

answer that better.

Josh Luthman
Office: XXX-XXX-XXXX
Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX
XXXX Wayne St
Suite XXXX
Troy, OH XXXXX

"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Ryan Novosielski

<user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid>

<mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid>>> wrote:

Josh Luthman wrote:

Next, my network machines. I don't really want to have to install

RRDTool on it. Is that really necessary? Isn't it only used for
display,
or is it also needed by a machine that only does network testing? It
looks like then as far as splitting up which tests run from where,

I can

use BBLOCATION and NET:$BBLOCATION, but it appears as if this is by
host, not by test. Any recommendations?
When you say "machines" you're saying it plural - you'll only
have to
install it on the bbdisplay (what server you query for WWW
pages).  If
you don't want rrdtool you won't have graphs - when you do the
configure
just say you don't have rrdtool.  The bbproxy/net machines have no
need
for rrdtool.  Graphs aren't crucial but they can most certainly
help in
several cases.

Yes, I have two network test machines that do not run the display --
these were that I was talking about. I already have rrdtool on the
display machine and the graphs work. I did not know there was a
way to
say that I don't have rrdtool. I'll look through configure, I
suppose,
but I didn't see anything like "--without-rrdtool" as is often
present
in other software.

I know some people have issues using NET: but you might want to read
through the archives.  From my understanding, it is by host not
test as
well.

Thanks, I'll hunt around.

Lastly, is there any concept of escalation in xymon as there is
in BB? I
wouldn't necessarily miss it, but I do currently use it.

(Escalation is

that no one can acknowledge a page in such a way that will keep it
from
reaching the escalated party, except that person).
Maybe look at the critical list of hosts -
http://www.hswn.dk/hobbiton/2007/03/msg00315.html

Thanks.

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Ryan Novosielski

<user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid>

<mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid>>>> wrote:

Good afternoon,
I am new to this list and probably will be new to xymon shortly. I
have
currently installed it and am testing it out.
My current BB system consists of a BBDISPLAY machine, and two BBNET
machines. The two BBNET machines are on either sides of a
firewall and
are housed on two different Solaris 10 zones.
I /think/ I know how to set this up, but there are some aspects
of it
that look like they might be irritating if there's no good answer
for them:
First off, my BBDISPLAY does no network monitoring. This looks as
simple
as setting DISABLE on the appropriate part of hobbitlaunch.cfg, so
this
seems pretty easy.
Next, my network machines. I don't really want to have to install
RRDTool on it. Is that really necessary? Isn't it only used for
display,
or is it also needed by a machine that only does network testing? It
looks like then as far as splitting up which tests run from where,

I can

use BBLOCATION and NET:$BBLOCATION, but it appears as if this is by
host, not by test. Any recommendations?
Lastly, is there any concept of escalation in xymon as there is in

BB? I

wouldn't necessarily miss it, but I do currently use it.

(Escalation is

that no one can acknowledge a page in such a way that will keep it
from
reaching the escalated party, except that person).

• ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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 |$&| |__| |  | |__/ | \| _| |user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid - 973/972.0922 (2-0922)
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-- 

Josh Luthman wrote:

If you want the clients to send their data to the server you need to
specify (for Hobbit clients)

BBDISP="74.218.88.184"             # IP address of the Hobbit server
BBDISPLAYS=""                   # IP of multiple Hobbit servers. BBDISP
must be "0.0.0.0".

/home/hobbitman/client/etc/hobbitclient.cfg

For bbclients (I have no experience with them myself) you simply switch
from the old to the new address.

Josh Luthman
Office: XXX-XXX-XXXX
Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX
XXXX Wayne St
Suite XXXX
Troy, OH XXXXX

"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Ryan Novosielski <user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid
<mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid>> wrote:

Yeah, I took a look at that before writing. There's nothing missing that
I can see that refers to anything like that. Only think I can think of
is that the client piece may not be using the same hostname as my
machine. I don't know what xymon does in cases where one is using FQDN
and one isn't. My bb-hosts line is:

Josh Luthman wrote:

Compare the first host voodoo.hswn.dk <http://voodoo.hswn.dk>;

<http://voodoo.hswn.dk>;:

http://xymon.com/hobbit/servers/servers.html

With it's bb-host here:
http://xymon.com/hobbit-cgi/viewconf.sh

I think that answers your question.  Let me know if otherwise.

Josh Luthman
Office: XXX-XXX-XXXX
Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX
XXXX Wayne St
Suite XXXX
Troy, OH XXXXX

"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Ryan Novosielski

<user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid>

<mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid>>> wrote:

One, possibly last, question:

In the process of migrating my bb-hosts file from BigBrother to xymon
and duplicating my current BB setup, it appears as if I managed to
lose
the tests for bbgen, bbtest, hobbitd... maybe another as well. I can't
figure out what it is that causes these tests to show up, as I do not
believe they were spelled out in the default bb-hosts file. Can anyone
point me to either some good docs on that or an answer?

Currently, on the "BBDISPLAY" machine I have bbnet and bbretest
disabled. However, stats for these processes do not show up on the
"BBNET" machines either (sorry to use BB terminology but it does not
appear that xymon has any term to make the description easy). The

BBNET

machines have hobbitd, bbhistory, bbpage, rrdstatus, rrddata,
clientdata, and bbdisplay disabled.

Thanks for any help!

Ryan Novosielski wrote:

Apparently not. :-\

Checking for RRDtool ...
RRDtool include- or library-files not found. These are REQUIRED
for hobbitd
RRDtool can be found at
http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/rrdtool/

<http://people.ee.ethz.ch/%7Eoetiker/webtools/rrdtool/>;

<http://people.ee.ethz.ch/%7Eoetiker/webtools/rrdtool/>;

If you have RRDtool installed, use the "--rrdinclude DIR" and

"--rrdlib DIR"

options to configure to specify where they are.

I guess no big deal.

Josh Luthman wrote:

From memory..few years of dust on that...

After you do a ./configure.server it will ask about RRDtool if it
can't
be found - I would imagine if you just leave it blank it would
skip over
the RRDtool parts.  Also, like you said, ./configure.server

--help may

answer that better.

Josh Luthman
Office: XXX-XXX-XXXX
Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX
XXXX Wayne St
Suite XXXX
Troy, OH XXXXX

"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains,
however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Ryan Novosielski

<user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid>

<mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid>>>> wrote:

Josh Luthman wrote:

Next, my network machines. I don't really want to have to install

RRDTool on it. Is that really necessary? Isn't it only used for
display,
or is it also needed by a machine that only does network
testing? It
looks like then as far as splitting up which tests run from where,

I can

use BBLOCATION and NET:$BBLOCATION, but it appears as if this is by
host, not by test. Any recommendations?
When you say "machines" you're saying it plural - you'll only
have to
install it on the bbdisplay (what server you query for WWW
pages).  If
you don't want rrdtool you won't have graphs - when you do the
configure
just say you don't have rrdtool.  The bbproxy/net machines have no
need
for rrdtool.  Graphs aren't crucial but they can most certainly
help in
several cases.

Yes, I have two network test machines that do not run the display --
these were that I was talking about. I already have rrdtool on the
display machine and the graphs work. I did not know there was a
way to
say that I don't have rrdtool. I'll look through configure, I
suppose,
but I didn't see anything like "--without-rrdtool" as is often
present
in other software.

I know some people have issues using NET: but you might want to
read
through the archives.  From my understanding, it is by host not
test as
well.

Thanks, I'll hunt around.

Lastly, is there any concept of escalation in xymon as there is
in BB? I
wouldn't necessarily miss it, but I do currently use it.

(Escalation is

that no one can acknowledge a page in such a way that will keep it
from
reaching the escalated party, except that person).
Maybe look at the critical list of hosts -
http://www.hswn.dk/hobbiton/2007/03/msg00315.html

Thanks.

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Ryan Novosielski

<user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid>

<mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid>>>>> wrote:

Good afternoon,
I am new to this list and probably will be new to xymon shortly. I
have
currently installed it and am testing it out.
My current BB system consists of a BBDISPLAY machine, and two BBNET
machines. The two BBNET machines are on either sides of a
firewall and
are housed on two different Solaris 10 zones.
I /think/ I know how to set this up, but there are some aspects
of it
that look like they might be irritating if there's no good answer
for them:
First off, my BBDISPLAY does no network monitoring. This looks as
simple
as setting DISABLE on the appropriate part of hobbitlaunch.cfg, so
this
seems pretty easy.
Next, my network machines. I don't really want to have to install
RRDTool on it. Is that really necessary? Isn't it only used for
display,
or is it also needed by a machine that only does network
testing? It
looks like then as far as splitting up which tests run from where,

I can

use BBLOCATION and NET:$BBLOCATION, but it appears as if this is by
host, not by test. Any recommendations?
Lastly, is there any concept of escalation in xymon as there is in

BB? I

wouldn't necessarily miss it, but I do currently use it.

(Escalation is

that no one can acknowledge a page in such a way that will keep it
from
reaching the escalated party, except that person).

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Greg Hubbard wrote:

The CLIENT tag is used to tell the Xymon server how the incoming client
data will be tagged.  You use this when your Xymon agent and the Xymon
server do not agree on which name to use -- usually because one of the
entries has FQDN and the other does not.  This is the "cheap fix" for
"ghost" clients -- see the ghost report.

Some of the columns you are talking about (bbgen, hobbitd, etc.) are
implicit tests that are run no matter what on the Xymon server.  Xymon
inherits a lot of the BB communications architecture but extends it in
many ways.  The BBDISPLAY machine(s) will have "bbgen" tests -- this is
what creates the Web pages.  The Xymon server will have the "hobbitd"
test -- this is what processes incoming data from Xymon clients.  BBNET
machines will have the "bbtest" column -- this shows how network tests
are working.

On a simple environment (the only kind I know) you will have all three
of these on your Xymon server and not on anything else.  My *guess* is
that if you know how to break up BBDISPLY and BBNET you might see
different tests associated with each host.

One *fundamental* difference between Xymon and BB is that clients
collect data and send it to the server for analysis instead of simply
sending status messages.  This allows the Xymon server to use
centralized thresholds -- makes it much easier to handle a distributed
environment because the definitions for "red", "yellow" and "green" are
all in one place.  But you probably already know this!

<mailto:user-4c45a83f15cb@xymon.invalid>> wrote:

    If you want the clients to send their data to the server you need to
    specify (for Hobbit clients)

    BBDISP="74.218.88.184"             # IP address of the Hobbit server
    BBDISPLAYS=""                   # IP of multiple Hobbit servers.
    BBDISP must be "0.0.0.0".

    /home/hobbitman/client/etc/hobbitclient.cfg

    For bbclients (I have no experience with them myself) you simply
    switch from the old to the new address.

    Josh Luthman
    Office: XXX-XXX-XXXX
    Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX
    XXXX Wayne St
    Suite XXXX
    Troy, OH XXXXX

    "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains,
    however improbable, must be the truth."
    --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle


    On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Ryan Novosielski
    <user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid>> wrote:

 
Yeah, I took a look at that before writing. There's nothing
missing that
I can see that refers to anything like that. Only think I can
think of
is that the client piece may not be using the same hostname as my
machine. I don't know what xymon does in cases where one is
using FQDN
and one isn't. My bb-hosts line is:

130.219.34.102  xymon.umdnj.edu <http://xymon.umdnj.edu/>; #
BBDISPLAY bbd ssh !telnet !ftp

So I'm only missing some extraneous stuff, if I compare it to their
line. I don't think the CLIENT piece is strictly required. I guess I
will re-read the man page for bb-hosts.

Josh Luthman wrote:

Compare the first host voodoo.hswn.dk <http://voodoo.hswn.dk/>;

<http://voodoo.hswn.dk <http://voodoo.hswn.dk/>>;:

http://xymon.com/hobbit/servers/servers.html

With it's bb-host here:
http://xymon.com/hobbit-cgi/viewconf.sh

I think that answers your question.  Let me know if otherwise.

Josh Luthman
Office: XXX-XXX-XXXX
Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX
XXXX Wayne St
Suite XXXX
Troy, OH XXXXX

"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains,
however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Ryan Novosielski

<user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid>
 

<mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid>>> wrote:

One, possibly last, question:

In the process of migrating my bb-hosts file from BigBrother to
xymon
and duplicating my current BB setup, it appears as if I managed
to lose
the tests for bbgen, bbtest, hobbitd... maybe another as well.

I can't

figure out what it is that causes these tests to show up, as I
do not
believe they were spelled out in the default bb-hosts file. Can
anyone
point me to either some good docs on that or an answer?

Currently, on the "BBDISPLAY" machine I have bbnet and bbretest
disabled. However, stats for these processes do not show up on the
"BBNET" machines either (sorry to use BB terminology but it
does not
appear that xymon has any term to make the description easy).

The BBNET

machines have hobbitd, bbhistory, bbpage, rrdstatus, rrddata,
clientdata, and bbdisplay disabled.

Thanks for any help!

Ryan Novosielski wrote:

Apparently not. :-\

Checking for RRDtool ...
RRDtool include- or library-files not found. These are REQUIRED
for hobbitd
RRDtool can be found at
http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/rrdtool/

<http://people.ee.ethz.ch/%7Eoetiker/webtools/rrdtool/>;
 

<http://people.ee.ethz.ch/%7Eoetiker/webtools/rrdtool/>;

If you have RRDtool installed, use the "--rrdinclude DIR" and

"--rrdlib DIR"

options to configure to specify where they are.

I guess no big deal.

Josh Luthman wrote:

From memory..few years of dust on that...

After you do a ./configure.server it will ask about RRDtool if it
can't
be found - I would imagine if you just leave it blank it would
skip over
the RRDtool parts.  Also, like you said, ./configure.server

--help may

answer that better.

Josh Luthman
Office: XXX-XXX-XXXX
Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX
XXXX Wayne St
Suite XXXX
Troy, OH XXXXX

"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains,
however
improbable, must be the truth."
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Ryan Novosielski

<user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid>

 
<mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid>>>> wrote:

Josh Luthman wrote:

Next, my network machines. I don't really want to have to
install

RRDTool on it. Is that really necessary? Isn't it only used for
display,
or is it also needed by a machine that only does network
testing? It
looks like then as far as splitting up which tests run from
where,

I can

use BBLOCATION and NET:$BBLOCATION, but it appears as if
this is by
host, not by test. Any recommendations?
When you say "machines" you're saying it plural - you'll only
have to
install it on the bbdisplay (what server you query for WWW
pages).  If
you don't want rrdtool you won't have graphs - when you do the
configure
just say you don't have rrdtool.  The bbproxy/net machines
have no
need
for rrdtool.  Graphs aren't crucial but they can most certainly
help in
several cases.

Yes, I have two network test machines that do not run the
display --
these were that I was talking about. I already have rrdtool
on the
display machine and the graphs work. I did not know there was a
way to
say that I don't have rrdtool. I'll look through configure, I
suppose,
but I didn't see anything like "--without-rrdtool" as is often
present
in other software.

I know some people have issues using NET: but you might want
to read
through the archives.  From my understanding, it is by host not
test as
well.

Thanks, I'll hunt around.

Lastly, is there any concept of escalation in xymon as there is
in BB? I
wouldn't necessarily miss it, but I do currently use it.

(Escalation is

that no one can acknowledge a page in such a way that will
keep it
from
reaching the escalated party, except that person).
Maybe look at the critical list of hosts -
http://www.hswn.dk/hobbiton/2007/03/msg00315.html

Thanks.

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Ryan Novosielski

<user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid>

<mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid>>>>> wrote:

Good afternoon,
I am new to this list and probably will be new to xymon
shortly. I
have
currently installed it and am testing it out.
My current BB system consists of a BBDISPLAY machine, and
two BBNET
machines. The two BBNET machines are on either sides of a
firewall and
are housed on two different Solaris 10 zones.
I /think/ I know how to set this up, but there are some aspects
of it
that look like they might be irritating if there's no good
answer
for them:
First off, my BBDISPLAY does no network monitoring. This
looks as
simple
as setting DISABLE on the appropriate part of
hobbitlaunch.cfg, so
this
seems pretty easy.
Next, my network machines. I don't really want to have to
install
RRDTool on it. Is that really necessary? Isn't it only used for
display,
or is it also needed by a machine that only does network
testing? It
looks like then as far as splitting up which tests run from
where,

I can

use BBLOCATION and NET:$BBLOCATION, but it appears as if
this is by
host, not by test. Any recommendations?
Lastly, is there any concept of escalation in xymon as there
is in

BB? I

wouldn't necessarily miss it, but I do currently use it.

(Escalation is

that no one can acknowledge a page in such a way that will
keep it
from
reaching the escalated party, except that person).

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Greg Hubbard wrote:

The CLIENT tag is used to tell the Xymon server how the incoming
client
data will be tagged.  You use this when your Xymon agent and the

Xymon

server do not agree on which name to use -- usually because one of
the
entries has FQDN and the other does not.  This is the "cheap fix"
for
"ghost" clients -- see the ghost report.

That's what I figured. On Solaris, it seems I run into this on all of
the hosts. uname -n always seems to return a short name. In fact, it
does not appear as if Solaris has much of a concept of a domain name,

and I can't figure if I'm supposed to keep the full name as the
hostname
or not. Hasn't seemed to matter.

Some of the columns you are talking about (bbgen, hobbitd, etc.)
are
implicit tests that are run no matter what on the Xymon server. 

Xymon

inherits a lot of the BB communications architecture but extends it
in
many ways.  The BBDISPLAY machine(s) will have "bbgen" tests -- this
is
what creates the Web pages.  The Xymon server will have the

"hobbitd"

test -- this is what processes incoming data from Xymon clients. 

BBNET

machines will have the "bbtest" column -- this shows how network
tests
are working.

They were missing, but apparently what happened is that at least the
"bbgen" tests were going into the bit running with a misspelled name,
so
at least I know what is going on with them now. I guess these are
"client" tests on a Xymon server.

On a simple environment (the only kind I know) you will have all
three
of these on your Xymon server and not on anything else.  My *guess*
is
that if you know how to break up BBDISPLY and BBNET you might see
different tests associated with each host.

Apparently not, and in my opinion, this is somewhat broken, unless
I'm
misconfiguring something. Xymon appears to only have one notion of a
"server." If you're running a network test machine, it asks you for
your
server name (example pasted):

BBSERVERHOSTNAME="xymon.umdnj.edu"              # The hostname of
your
server
BBSERVERIP="130.219.34.102"                     # The IP-address of
your
server. Use the real one, not 127.0.0.1 .
BBSERVEROS="sunos"                      # The operating system of
your
server. linux,freebsd,solaris,hpux,aix,osf

The "bbtest" test, with a solely "BBNET" machine configured this way,
appears as if it comes from the "BBNET" machine (status message
received
from IP is the "BBNET" machine), but the test shows up under whatever
server name is defined in those above variables in hobbitserver.cfg.

If
you set that server name to the name of the BBNET machine, as I
expected
I was supposed to do initially, you get "connection refused" errors,
as
it tries to connect to itself and cannot as it's not running the
server
component that listens on the port.

I'm starting to believe that while you CAN separate the BBNET and
BBDISPLAY nodes with Xymon, no one is really doing it and it doesn't
work that cleanly.

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Greg Hubbard wrote:

The CLIENT tag is used to tell the Xymon server how the incoming
client
data will be tagged.  You use this when your Xymon agent and the

Xymon

server do not agree on which name to use -- usually because one
of
the
entries has FQDN and the other does not.  This is the "cheap fix"

for

"ghost" clients -- see the ghost report.

That's what I figured. On Solaris, it seems I run into this on all
of the hosts. uname -n always seems to return a short name. In
fact, it does not appear as if Solaris has much of a concept of a
domain name,

user-7619a05cd843@xymon.invalid 
uname -n merga.ourdomain.com 
user-7619a05cd843@xymon.invalid 
hostname merga.telkomsa.net 
user-7619a05cd843@xymon.invalid 
uname -a SunOS merga.ourdomain.com 5.9
Generic_117171-07 sun4u sparc SUNW,Sun-Fire-V210

(Of course, don't try 'hostname -d').

Apparently not, and in my opinion, this is somewhat broken, unless 
I'm misconfiguring something. Xymon appears to only have one notion
of a "server." If you're running a network test machine, it asks
you for your server name (example pasted):

BBSERVERHOSTNAME="xymon.umdnj.edu"              # The hostname of 
your server BBSERVERIP="130.219.34.102"                     # The
IP-address of your server. Use the real one, not 127.0.0.1 . 
BBSERVEROS="sunos"                      # The operating system of 
your server. linux,freebsd,solaris,hpux,aix,osf

The "bbtest" test, with a solely "BBNET" machine configured this
way, appears as if it comes from the "BBNET" machine (status
message received from IP is the "BBNET" machine), but the test
shows up under whatever server name is defined in those above
variables in hobbitserver.cfg.

You only set *one* of those, BBSERVERHOSTNAME, which it uses in the
status message, which it sends to BBSERVERIP.

See e.g. line 2321 of bbnet/bbtest-net.c sprintf(msgline, "status
%s.%s %s %s\n\n", xgetenv("MACHINE"), egocolumn, colorname(color),
timestamp);

(In lib/environ.c, MACHINE is created from MACHINEDOTS if MACHINE
does not exist, and by default MACHINEDOTS=$BBSERVERHOSTNAME in
hobbitserver.cfg).

I guess the descriptions of BBSERVERHOSTNAME and BBSERVERIP could be
improved in hobbitserver.cfg and hobbitserver.cfg(5), and
BBSERVERHOSTNAME could possibly default to the machine's hostname
instead ...

BBSERVERHOSTNAME is the name of the host running that instance of
xymon as you would like it to be displayed in any messages about the
xymon processes, and BBSEVERIP is the IP of the Xymon server (hobbitd
or bbproxy) to which all status messages should be sent.

If you set that server name to the name of the BBNET machine, as I 
expected I was supposed to do initially, you get "connection
refused" errors, as it tries to connect to itself and cannot as
it's not running the server component that listens on the port.

I'm starting to believe that while you CAN separate the BBNET and 
BBDISPLAY nodes with Xymon, no one is really doing it and it
doesn't work that cleanly.

I've been doing it since hobbit-4.1.0, and I have had no problems
(with more complex setups including bbproxy to have a staged
migration from bb).

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On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Ryan Novosielski <user-ae4522577e16@xymon.invalid>wrote:

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Greg Hubbard wrote:

The CLIENT tag is used to tell the Xymon server how the incoming
client
data will be tagged.  You use this when your Xymon agent and the

Xymon

server do not agree on which name to use -- usually because one
of
the
entries has FQDN and the other does not.  This is the "cheap fix"

for

"ghost" clients -- see the ghost report.

That's what I figured. On Solaris, it seems I run into this on all
of the hosts. uname -n always seems to return a short name. In
fact, it does not appear as if Solaris has much of a concept of a
domain name,

user-7619a05cd843@xymon.invalid
uname -n merga.ourdomain.com
user-7619a05cd843@xymon.invalid
hostname merga.telkomsa.net
user-7619a05cd843@xymon.invalid
uname -a SunOS merga.ourdomain.com 5.9
Generic_117171-07 sun4u sparc SUNW,Sun-Fire-V210

(Of course, don't try 'hostname -d').

Have you been able to find in writing anyplace that the hostname is
supposed to be the FQDN? I haven't been able to, and I've seen a lot of
references to the short name belonging in /etc/hostname.<if> and
/etc/nodename. Most OS' separate hostname and domain name out, but it
would seem that using the FQDN would at least fix the problems that
require me to use CLIENT: on Solaris machines in my setup.

Apparently not, and in my opinion, this is somewhat broken, unless
I'm misconfiguring something. Xymon appears to only have one notion
of a "server." If you're running a network test machine, it asks
you for your server name (example pasted):

BBSERVERHOSTNAME="xymon.umdnj.edu"              # The hostname of
your server BBSERVERIP="130.219.34.102"                     # The
IP-address of your server. Use the real one, not 127.0.0.1 .
BBSERVEROS="sunos"                      # The operating system of
your server. linux,freebsd,solaris,hpux,aix,osf

The "bbtest" test, with a solely "BBNET" machine configured this
way, appears as if it comes from the "BBNET" machine (status
message received from IP is the "BBNET" machine), but the test
shows up under whatever server name is defined in those above
variables in hobbitserver.cfg.

You only set *one* of those, BBSERVERHOSTNAME, which it uses in the
status message, which it sends to BBSERVERIP.

See e.g. line 2321 of bbnet/bbtest-net.c sprintf(msgline, "status
%s.%s %s %s\n\n", xgetenv("MACHINE"), egocolumn, colorname(color),
timestamp);

(In lib/environ.c, MACHINE is created from MACHINEDOTS if MACHINE
does not exist, and by default MACHINEDOTS=$BBSERVERHOSTNAME in
hobbitserver.cfg).

I guess the descriptions of BBSERVERHOSTNAME and BBSERVERIP could be
improved in hobbitserver.cfg and hobbitserver.cfg(5), and
BBSERVERHOSTNAME could possibly default to the machine's hostname
instead ...

BBSERVERHOSTNAME is the name of the host running that instance of
xymon as you would like it to be displayed in any messages about the
xymon processes, and BBSEVERIP is the IP of the Xymon server (hobbitd
or bbproxy) to which all status messages should be sent.

OK, this makes a huge difference. Note that even the description is
written to re-inforce that these both should be the same value:

# The hostname of your server
# The IP-address of your server. Use the real one, not 127.0.0.1 .

...assuming that "your server"="your server", as well as the fact that
both say BBSERVER*=BBSERVER*. That is one thing that I'd alluded to
earlier: the terminology that BB uses to call the BBDISPLAY machine and
the BBNET machine make it clear what to put in the various config
options. If they both reside on the same machine, it's obvious what to
do, as opposed to the reverse (if they both say one machine and you've
got two).

I might be able to fix some of these issues in future.

Should be fairly simple documentation patches. I'm no programmer, but if
that's necessary, I should be able to handle some of it.

If you set that server name to the name of the BBNET machine, as I
expected I was supposed to do initially, you get "connection
refused" errors, as it tries to connect to itself and cannot as
it's not running the server component that listens on the port.

I'm starting to believe that while you CAN separate the BBNET and
BBDISPLAY nodes with Xymon, no one is really doing it and it
doesn't work that cleanly.

I've been doing it since hobbit-4.1.0, and I have had no problems
(with more complex setups including bbproxy to have a staged
migration from bb).

Thrilled to stand corrected. The changes I've made so far have made a
difference. I guess we'll see going forward if I run into anything else.
I'm running 4.2.3 incidentally, so I suppose it's possible that the
latest changes are not in my version if any have been made.

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