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Implementation Assistance - New User

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list James Wade · Fri, 3 Nov 2006 08:48:29 -0600 ·
Hello All,

 
I'm still having difficulties moving my existing Big Brother

install over to Hobbit. I'm considering just continuing to

use Big Brother. I'll do a summary to the group once

I've gotten everything moved over and the problems that

I've had.

 
I need assistance with the clients. The server is working.

 
1) I did one client yesterday, and some of the scripts that
I got from deadcat don't work. The reason is they source

bbsource.local, so I'm working on that.

 
What have other folks done with regard to deadcat scripts
sourcing bbssys.local?

 
2)  I had larrd installed on Big Brother, and assumed that
the larrd scripts on the clients could be disabled because
Hobbit did iostat and vmstat. However, they turned purple.


So, I restarted the larrd scripts from within Hobbit. However,
they still stay purple. They don't seem to update properly.

Do you have to use larrd on the clients or does Hobbit do
an iostat, vmstat test like larrd?

3) Does anyone use Hobbit for clients? I'm considering just
living my clients using Big Brother because of less implementation

hours.  What's the advantage to moving to hobbit?

4) Are there any additional add-ins for hobbit, ie.. plugins

Thanks..James
list Peter Welter · Fri, 3 Nov 2006 17:41:38 +0100 ·
James,

I can help you with some of your questions;

2006/11/3, James Wade <user-659655b2ea05@xymon.invalid>:
quoted from James Wade
I need assistance with the clients. The server is working.

2)  I had larrd installed on Big Brother, and assumed that
 the larrd scripts on the clients could be disabled because
 Hobbit did iostat and vmstat. However, they turned purple.

 So, I restarted the larrd scripts from within Hobbit. However,
 they still stay purple. They don't seem to update properly.

 Do you have to use larrd on the clients or does Hobbit do
 an iostat, vmstat test like larrd?
No, the Hobbit-client software gathers all data as you said (fi.
iostat, vmstat) needed for the server to build the graph-part. The
iostat-part is currently under development (search the mailinglist for
more info) but I'm confident that Henrik will deliver some terrific
work here (again). The vmstat, needed for fi. the load-graph should
already work.
quoted from James Wade
 3) Does anyone use Hobbit for clients? I'm considering just
 living my clients using Big Brother because of less implementation
hours.  What's the advantage to moving to hobbit?
You can do that, there is no need to rush to change all clients
immedeately, but you can change in  phases (first the test-systems,
see the differences and new graphs). Imho, there are lots of
improvements here, because a Hobbit-client show top-output for the
cpu-test, ps-output for the process-check, etc. So the need to login
at a system is hardly there, after you changed clients. Besides, the
Hobbit-client is consuming less resources. Best of all, the output the
os-commands generate is send to your hobbit server and can be seen and
checked! At the bottom of each test, you see the link 'Client data'.
Oh, I forgot another, even better feature: centralized management of
thresholds! Disk, memory, cpu etc. It's the server to decide and not
the client. So I think you will gain some time here ;-)
 4) Are there any additional add-ins for hobbit, ie…. plugins
http://www.hswn.dk/hobbit/help/about.html#addons
Peter
list James Wade · Fri, 3 Nov 2006 10:59:04 -0600 ·
Thanks Peter.

How do I see vmstat? 

I see iostatdisk, iostatcpu, & vmstat running
on the client, but  how do I pull up the reports?

With BB, I have a column entry for those.

Thanks...James
quoted from Peter Welter

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Welter [mailto:user-f55666bd0d1e@xymon.invalid] 
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 10:42 AM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] Implementation Assistance - New User

James,

I can help you with some of your questions;

2006/11/3, James Wade <user-659655b2ea05@xymon.invalid>:
I need assistance with the clients. The server is working.

2)  I had larrd installed on Big Brother, and assumed that
 the larrd scripts on the clients could be disabled because
 Hobbit did iostat and vmstat. However, they turned purple.

 So, I restarted the larrd scripts from within Hobbit. However,
 they still stay purple. They don't seem to update properly.

 Do you have to use larrd on the clients or does Hobbit do
 an iostat, vmstat test like larrd?
No, the Hobbit-client software gathers all data as you said (fi.
iostat, vmstat) needed for the server to build the graph-part. The
iostat-part is currently under development (search the mailinglist for
more info) but I'm confident that Henrik will deliver some terrific
work here (again). The vmstat, needed for fi. the load-graph should
already work.
 3) Does anyone use Hobbit for clients? I'm considering just
 living my clients using Big Brother because of less implementation
hours.  What's the advantage to moving to hobbit?
You can do that, there is no need to rush to change all clients
immedeately, but you can change in  phases (first the test-systems,
see the differences and new graphs). Imho, there are lots of
improvements here, because a Hobbit-client show top-output for the
cpu-test, ps-output for the process-check, etc. So the need to login
at a system is hardly there, after you changed clients. Besides, the
Hobbit-client is consuming less resources. Best of all, the output the
os-commands generate is send to your hobbit server and can be seen and
checked! At the bottom of each test, you see the link 'Client data'.
Oh, I forgot another, even better feature: centralized management of
thresholds! Disk, memory, cpu etc. It's the server to decide and not
the client. So I think you will gain some time here ;-)
 4) Are there any additional add-ins for hobbit, ie.. plugins
http://www.hswn.dk/hobbit/help/about.html#addons
Peter
list James Wade · Fri, 3 Nov 2006 11:33:10 -0600 ·
I have a load of URL's in my bb-hosts
file that I was monitoring on by Big Brother install,
but they don't seem to have carried over to the Hobbit
installation. I see no http column.

Thanks...James
list Peter Welter · Sat, 4 Nov 2006 15:26:27 +0100 ·
Hi James,

I guess you are referring to the larrd column where the vmstat output
pops up. Of course you know Hobbit calls this one trends and the
vmstat graph data is delivered like this...

...snip...
[vmstat]
procs                      memory      swap          io     system         cpu
 r  b   swpd   free   buff  cache   si   so    bi    bo   in    cs us sy id wa
 0  0  27344  19528 169928 727420    0    0     2     3    5     4  0  0  3  0
 0  0  27344  19760 169928 727492    0    0     0     6  102    25  0  0 100  0
...snip...

and portions of the output result in the (default vmstat) CPU
Utilization graph (see the hobbitgraph definition file). In this file
you see graphdefinitions for vmstat0 through vmstat9 and then decide
which graph to pop up for your particular host (See bbhosts).

Hope this helps.

Regards

Peter

2006/11/3, James Wade <user-659655b2ea05@xymon.invalid>:
quoted from James Wade
Thanks Peter.

How do I see vmstat?

I see iostatdisk, iostatcpu, & vmstat running
on the client, but  how do I pull up the reports?

With BB, I have a column entry for those.

Thanks...James

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Welter [mailto:user-f55666bd0d1e@xymon.invalid]
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 10:42 AM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] Implementation Assistance - New User

James,

I can help you with some of your questions;

2006/11/3, James Wade <user-659655b2ea05@xymon.invalid>:
I need assistance with the clients. The server is working.

2)  I had larrd installed on Big Brother, and assumed that
 the larrd scripts on the clients could be disabled because
 Hobbit did iostat and vmstat. However, they turned purple.

 So, I restarted the larrd scripts from within Hobbit. However,
 they still stay purple. They don't seem to update properly.

 Do you have to use larrd on the clients or does Hobbit do
 an iostat, vmstat test like larrd?
No, the Hobbit-client software gathers all data as you said (fi.
iostat, vmstat) needed for the server to build the graph-part. The
iostat-part is currently under development (search the mailinglist for
more info) but I'm confident that Henrik will deliver some terrific
work here (again). The vmstat, needed for fi. the load-graph should
already work.
 3) Does anyone use Hobbit for clients? I'm considering just
 living my clients using Big Brother because of less implementation
hours.  What's the advantage to moving to hobbit?
You can do that, there is no need to rush to change all clients
immedeately, but you can change in  phases (first the test-systems,
see the differences and new graphs). Imho, there are lots of
improvements here, because a Hobbit-client show top-output for the
cpu-test, ps-output for the process-check, etc. So the need to login
at a system is hardly there, after you changed clients. Besides, the
Hobbit-client is consuming less resources. Best of all, the output the
os-commands generate is send to your hobbit server and can be seen and
checked! At the bottom of each test, you see the link 'Client data'.
Oh, I forgot another, even better feature: centralized management of
thresholds! Disk, memory, cpu etc. It's the server to decide and not
the client. So I think you will gain some time here ;-)
 4) Are there any additional add-ins for hobbit, ie.. plugins
http://www.hswn.dk/hobbit/help/about.html#addons
Peter

list Peter Welter · Sat, 4 Nov 2006 15:56:43 +0100 ·
Hi James,

Please supply more details. Parts from you bb-hosts-file on the Hobbit
server. What have you set up, what do you expect and does not work as
expected?

Peter

2006/11/3, James Wade <user-659655b2ea05@xymon.invalid>:
quoted from James Wade
I have a load of URL's in my bb-hosts
file that I was monitoring on by Big Brother install,
but they don't seem to have carried over to the Hobbit
installation. I see no http column.

Thanks...James