nagios vs hobbit
list Geoff Steer
In my opinion, no competition at all! I've just taken on a new job where they use Nagios for monitoring. I've never used nagios before so it's a pretty steep learning curve. The setup is basic and it's may job to flesh it out and provide some detail - graphs, reports etc. Every time I have to add a new monitor or get asked to graph something, I keep thinking 'This would be so much easier with hobbit!'
list T.J. Yang
From: "Geoff Steer" <user-b407fc7700f4@xymon.invalid> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 6:26 PM To: <user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid> Subject: [hobbit] nagios vs hobbit
In my opinion, no competition at all!
Looking at Nagio's propaganda, "no competition" is overstatement to hobbit. see it yourself here http://www.nagios.org/propaganda/ tj
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I've just taken on a new job where they use Nagios for monitoring. I've never used nagios before so it's a pretty steep learning curve. The setup is basic and it's may job to flesh it out and provide some detail - graphs, reports etc. Every time I have to add a new monitor or get asked to graph something, I keep thinking 'This would be so much easier with hobbit!'
list Heinelt Maik
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 We have a client which is behind a squid proxy. This client send the logs successful to the hobbit server, but I cannot get work the bbwinupdate service. At the tmp folder of the client, I get the bbwin.update file created, but it is always empty (0kb). The client logs just say, the config file isn't available, or the path might be wrong. Well, the path is right and the remote config file is available for all other clients. Do someone have an idea? Regards Maik -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFI9rWJr4r+EhimPOURAqi3AJ9MSTwxyNmGfodtDUShzK59hUjXtACdHk7O GdJyjUAcxaU5WyFU2FPDc6M= =jYDD -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
list Mike Rowell
I find it quite funny on the nagios homepage it says get it up and running in 15minutes... Try 5minutes for hobbit, at most... Mike
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From: T.J. Yang [mailto:user-8e841282cda5@xymon.invalid]
Sent: 16 October 2008 03:16
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] nagios vs hobbit
From: "Geoff Steer" <user-b407fc7700f4@xymon.invalid>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 6:26 PM
To: <user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid>
Subject: [hobbit] nagios vs hobbit
In my opinion, no competition at all!
Looking at Nagio's propaganda, "no competition" is overstatement to hobbit. see it yourself here http://www.nagios.org/propaganda/ tj
I've just taken on a new job where they use Nagios for monitoring.
I've
never used nagios before so it's a pretty steep learning curve. The setup is basic and it's may job to flesh it out and provide some detail - graphs, reports etc. Every time I have to add a new monitor or get asked to graph something, I keep thinking 'This would be so much easier with hobbit!'
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list Shawn Heisey
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Geoff Steer wrote:
Every time I have to add a new monitor or get asked to graph something, I keep thinking 'This would be so much easier with hobbit!'
At my job, we're using two primary tools for network monitoring - Hobbit and OpenNMS. Hobbit is primarily for system monitoring, and OpenNMS for network monitoring. I've still got a ton of stuff to add to Hobbit, but the configuration is pretty much done, and took a lot less time than when I set up Big Brother four years ago. OpenNMS is a whole different beast. It's much more of a framework than a drop-in system, so you have to flesh out the last mile or it's not useful. We used to have an ancient version of OpenView on Solaris 2.6 set up by my predecessor. OpenView is even more voodoo than OpenNMS, but their magic isn't free. Faced with the prospect of having to learn how to use one or the other, I chose to use the one that runs on Linux and won't cost most of my yearly salary just for an upgrade to run on a recent version of Solaris. There's still a ton of work to do on it. With Hobbit, you get almost complete functionality out of the box with minimal configuration. There's still more untapped power under the hood if you delve deeper, but you don't have to sacrifice chickens over the monitor at midnight to get it working. Nagios is somewhere between Hobbit and a full NMS. I haven't ever set up a Nagios system, mostly because when I started toying with it, it looked a lot harder than the Big Brother we were using at the time. If I put enough work into OpenNMS, it would be able to replace Hobbit and leave it in the dust, but I don't have any reason to spend the time.
list Heinelt Maik
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We have a client which is behind a squid proxy. This client send the logs successful to the hobbit server, but I cannot get work the bbwinupdate service. At the tmp folder of the client, I get the bbwin.update file created, but it is always empty (0kb). The client logs just say, the config file isn't available, or the path might be wrong. Well, the path is right and the remote config file is available for all other clients. Do someone have an idea? Regards Maik
Do nobody have a tip for me? I cannot believe, I'm the only one who use bbwin behind a proxy?!
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list Buchan Milne
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On Thursday 16 October 2008 15:26:55 Shawn Heisey wrote:
Geoff Steer wrote:Every time I have to add a new monitor or get asked to graph something, I keep thinking 'This would be so much easier with hobbit!'At my job, we're using two primary tools for network monitoring - Hobbit and OpenNMS. Hobbit is primarily for system monitoring, and OpenNMS for network monitoring.
You mean for SNMP polling? <plug>Have you tried devmon</plug>
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If I put enough work into OpenNMS, it would be able to replace Hobbit and leave it in the dust, but I don't have any reason to spend the time.
What features specifically would you use from OpenNMS (and aren't available with Hobbit+devmon?). (I haven't gotten around to trying OpenNMS, though I have been meaning to for some time - probably spent most of that time on improving devmon). Regards, Buchan
list Dan McDonald
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On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 15:05 +0200, Buchan Milne wrote:
On Thursday 16 October 2008 15:26:55 Shawn Heisey wrote:Geoff Steer wrote:Every time I have to add a new monitor or get asked to graph something, I keep thinking 'This would be so much easier with hobbit!'At my job, we're using two primary tools for network monitoring - Hobbit and OpenNMS. Hobbit is primarily for system monitoring, and OpenNMS for network monitoring.You mean for SNMP polling? <plug>Have you tried devmon</plug>
I would, if it supported snmp V3...
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If I put enough work into OpenNMS, it would be able to replace Hobbit and leave it in the dust, but I don't have any reason to spend the time.What features specifically would you use from OpenNMS (and aren't available with Hobbit+devmon?).
The main thing hobbit is missing is the mapping front-end. Yes, I know about bbmap (I wrote the integration of that for hobbit). And I've thought about porting weathermap to hobbit, but when you are network centric, rather than client centric, you really need a connectivity map... -- Daniel J McDonald, CCIE #2495, CISSP #78281, CNX Austin Energy http://www.austinenergy.com
list Buchan Milne
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On Friday 17 October 2008 15:42:08 McDonald, Dan wrote:
On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 15:05 +0200, Buchan Milne wrote:On Thursday 16 October 2008 15:26:55 Shawn Heisey wrote:Geoff Steer wrote:Every time I have to add a new monitor or get asked to graph something, I keep thinking 'This would be so much easier with hobbit!'At my job, we're using two primary tools for network monitoring - Hobbit and OpenNMS. Hobbit is primarily for system monitoring, and OpenNMS for network monitoring.You mean for SNMP polling? <plug>Have you tried devmon</plug>I would, if it supported snmp V3...
It's on the to-do list. If you can test, I will try and implement soon. AFAIK, SNMP_Session supports snmpv3, so it should mostly be a configuration issue. (You could also file a bug on the sourceforge tracker, so I don't forget). (First 2 weeks are looking most promising for some real devmon development).
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If I put enough work into OpenNMS, it would be able to replace Hobbit and leave it in the dust, but I don't have any reason to spend the time.What features specifically would you use from OpenNMS (and aren't available with Hobbit+devmon?).The main thing hobbit is missing is the mapping front-end. Yes, I know about bbmap (I wrote the integration of that for hobbit). And I've thought about porting weathermap to hobbit,
I did that last week. See the devmon mailing list. /me sanitizes an example ... http://staff.telkomsa.net/~bgmilne/weathermap.html (the overlib popup graphs do work, but I'm not going to put static copies and edit the html to fix all the links right now). Since it uses a lot of the information devmon has at it's disposal, it's a lot less editing work than the Cacti one (there is no graphical editor yet, but it's almost less work to put the interface names in the config file). I will try and automate it even further soon. Source tarball at: http://staff.telkomsa.net/~bgmilne/devmon- weathermap-1.1.2.tar.gz (that one didn't have support for VIA tags and ICONS, I will publish a new one once I have the transparency vs not and label/background vs icon issues resolved)
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but when you are network centric, rather than client centric, you really need a connectivity map...
Well, I've got what cacti could do for us (so we don't need it any more), and I was considering doing something with graphviz and the NET, route_NET, and route tags ... Regards, Buchan
list Daniel J McDonald
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On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 17:27 +0200, Buchan Milne wrote:
On Friday 17 October 2008 15:42:08 McDonald, Dan wrote:On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 15:05 +0200, Buchan Milne wrote:On Thursday 16 October 2008 15:26:55 Shawn Heisey wrote:Geoff Steer wrote:Every time I have to add a new monitor or get asked to graph something, I keep thinking 'This would be so much easier with hobbit!'At my job, we're using two primary tools for network monitoring - Hobbit and OpenNMS. Hobbit is primarily for system monitoring, and OpenNMS for network monitoring.You mean for SNMP polling? <plug>Have you tried devmon</plug>I would, if it supported snmp V3...It's on the to-do list. If you can test,
Certainly. I have many hundreds of snmp v3 enabled hosts.
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I will try and implement soon. AFAIK, SNMP_Session supports snmpv3, so it should mostly be a configuration issue.
No, I had to re-write mrtg to support Net_SNMP_Session, which has mostly the same API as SNMP_Session, with just a few tweaks. Net_SNMP_Session calls Net::SNMP, which has binaries from the NetSNMP project, so it's not as portable.
(You could also file a bug on the sourceforge tracker, so I don't forget).
ok
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(First 2 weeks are looking most promising for some real devmon development).
list Moby
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Daniel J McDonald wrote:
On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 17:27 +0200, Buchan Milne wrote:On Friday 17 October 2008 15:42:08 McDonald, Dan wrote:On Fri, 2008-10-17 at 15:05 +0200, Buchan Milne wrote:On Thursday 16 October 2008 15:26:55 Shawn Heisey wrote:Geoff Steer wrote:Every time I have to add a new monitor or get asked to graph something, I keep thinking 'This would be so much easier with hobbit!'At my job, we're using two primary tools for network monitoring - Hobbit and OpenNMS. Hobbit is primarily for system monitoring, and OpenNMS for network monitoring.You mean for SNMP polling? <plug>Have you tried devmon</plug>I would, if it supported snmp V3...It's on the to-do list. If you can test,Certainly. I have many hundreds of snmp v3 enabled hosts.I will try and implement soon. AFAIK, SNMP_Session supports snmpv3, so it should mostly be a configuration issue.No, I had to re-write mrtg to support Net_SNMP_Session, which has mostly the same API as SNMP_Session, with just a few tweaks. Net_SNMP_Session calls Net::SNMP, which has binaries from the NetSNMP project, so it's not as portable.(You could also file a bug on the sourceforge tracker, so I don't forget).ok(First 2 weeks are looking most promising for some real devmon development).
One more item I would like to add to the list of differences between Hobbit and Nagios, which is somewhat critical at one of my sites, is proxy options - Nagios has nrpe and/or nsca. Something along the lines of having choices of different (push/pull) type proxy setups would be a big benefit for Hobbit, at least from my perspective. -- --Moby They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Benjamin Franklin