Would xymon survive?
list Michael Nemeth
I gave I high successful Xymon presentation that got me management support to have it evaluated by a larger group of people . Actually the management support was very strong ! One Sysadmin, expressed the worry that since xymon is basic a one programmer product what would happen if Henrik could no longer support it. I told them about the movement for more than one programer to support it via the Subversion archive on Sourceforge, Still if Henrik was gone would some one support it? Would Henrik company allow outsider to maintain it. Ok, in other words would xymon survive? As an aside I ran across a free product yesterday (don't remember what) that would sell a commercial license , that was basically a disclaimed for commpany that just HAD to have commercial licenses. Might not be a bad idea Henrik?
list Stef Coene
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On Friday 12 December 2008, michael nemeth wrote:
I gave I high successful Xymon presentation that got me management support to have it evaluated by a larger group of people . Actually the management support was very strong ! One Sysadmin, expressed the worry that since xymon is basic a one programmer product what would happen if Henrik could no longer support it. I told them about the movement for more than one programer to support it via the Subversion archive on Sourceforge, Still if Henrik was gone would some one support it? Would Henrik company allow outsider to maintain it. Ok, in other words would xymon survive?
There is no "Henrik company". Of course, there is a company that pays Henrik and Henrik is allowed to work on xymon. But if Henrik stops developing xymon, somebody will step in (I'm willing to do) and start developing. Why? Because the product is too good to let it die.
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As an aside I ran across a free product yesterday (don't remember what) that would sell a commercial license , that was basically a disclaimed for commpany that just HAD to have commercial licenses. Might not be a bad idea Henrik?
Selling a commercial license means nothing. I'm willing to sell you a license so you can use xymon and as a bonus, I give you the source code for free! The problem with commercial licenses is that if you sell a license, you are expected to deliver also support. And one person alone can not do this. Stef
list Rich Smrcina
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Stef Coene wrote:
There is no "Henrik company". Of course, there is a company that pays Henrik and Henrik is allowed to work on xymon. But if Henrik stops developing xymon, somebody will step in (I'm willing to do) and start developing. Why? Because the product is too good to let it die.
I would too. -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Phone: XXX-XXX-XXXX Ans Service: XXX-XXX-XXXX http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2009 - Orlando, FL - May 15-19, 2009
list Josh Luthman
There is an application that college universities use that is developed by one person. VMPLS I believe is the name.
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On 12/12/08, Stef Coene <user-dbffe946c0f4@xymon.invalid> wrote:On Friday 12 December 2008, michael nemeth wrote:I gave I high successful Xymon presentation that got me management support to have it evaluated by a larger group of people . Actually the management support was very strong ! One Sysadmin, expressed the worry that since xymon is basic a one programmer product what would happen if Henrik could no longer support it. I told them about the movement for more than one programer to support it via the Subversion archive on Sourceforge, Still if Henrik was gone would some one support it? Would Henrik company allow outsider to maintain it. Ok, in other words would xymon survive?There is no "Henrik company". Of course, there is a company that pays Henrik and Henrik is allowed to work on xymon. But if Henrik stops developing xymon, somebody will step in (I'm willing to do) and start developing. Why? Because the product is too good to let it die.As an aside I ran across a free product yesterday (don't remember what) that would sell a commercial license , that was basically a disclaimed for commpany that just HAD to have commercial licenses. Might not be a bad idea Henrik?Selling a commercial license means nothing. I'm willing to sell you a license so you can use xymon and as a bonus, I give you the source code for free! The problem with commercial licenses is that if you sell a license, you are expected to deliver also support. And one person alone can not do this. Stef
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list Michael Nemeth
Oh I agree with you about license. What foolishness! We have MANY license that have no support. So wrong about "commercial licenses". I actual was forbidden to use BTF Big Brother, because they didn't like the BTF license nor want at the time to buy bb pro even though BOTH Quest and Andrea gave permission to use it completely free to me. And about some one stepping up probably the company that Henrik works for would mantain it.
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Stef Coene wrote:On Friday 12 December 2008, michael nemeth wrote:I gave I high successful Xymon presentation that got me management support to have it evaluated by a larger group of people . Actually the management support was very strong ! One Sysadmin, expressed the worry that since xymon is basic a one programmer product what would happen if Henrik could no longer support it. I told them about the movement for more than one programer to support it via the Subversion archive on Sourceforge, Still if Henrik was gone would some one support it? Would Henrik company allow outsider to maintain it. Ok, in other words would xymon survive?There is no "Henrik company". Of course, there is a company that pays Henrik and Henrik is allowed to work on xymon. But if Henrik stops developing xymon, somebody will step in (I'm willing to do) and start developing. Why? Because the product is too good to let it die.As an aside I ran across a free product yesterday (don't remember what) that would sell a commercial license , that was basically a disclaimed for commpany that just HAD to have commercial licenses. Might not be a bad idea Henrik?Selling a commercial license means nothing. I'm willing to sell you a license so you can use xymon and as a bonus, I give you the source code for free! The problem with commercial licenses is that if you sell a license, you are expected to deliver also support. And one person alone can not do this. Stef
list Stef Coene
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On Friday 12 December 2008, michael nemeth wrote:
Oh I agree with you about license. What foolishness! We have MANY license that have no support. So wrong about "commercial licenses".
Have you ever tried to get support if you have a 'commercial licenses'? I work for an IBM, Oracle and Microsoft business partner, and only 1 out of xxx calls is solved by the software supplier. Most of the time they wait long enough for us to find a solution or a work around. And most of the time, the solution is to upgrade to the latest version. And to do so, you have to upgrade everything: software / OS / firmware. Stef
list Henrik Størner
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In <user-544732598657@xymon.invalid> michael nemeth <user-609d3fab5b2d@xymon.invalid> writes:
One Sysadmin, expressed the worry that since xymon is basic a one programmer product what would happen if Henrik could no longer support it. I told them about the movement for more than one programer to support it via the Subversion archive on Sourceforge,
Still if Henrik was gone would some one support it?
I think it would, but as with all open-source projects it depends on how much interest the community has in the software. If it's good enough that people want to use it, then I believe that someone will take over the task of maintaining it. I know for a fact that several rather large companies are using Hobbit/Xymon, so I believe there would be enough people interested that it would survive even without me.
Would Henrik company allow outsider to maintain it.
They have zero influence on that decision. Hobbit/Xymon is my project, the company I work for have no intellectual property (or any other) rights to the software.
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As an aside I ran across a free product yesterday (don't remember what) that would sell a commercial license , that was basically a disclaimed for commpany that just HAD to have commercial licenses. Might not be a bad idea Henrik?
If someone asks, I am perfectly willing to sell them a commercial license for Hobbit: It will be identical to the GNU GPL with the added clause that they must pay me. In return they'll get the right to use the software with all warranties disclaimed :-) Seriously, there are companies that handle support for Open Source projects. I've received an inquiry from a company called Open Logic (www.openlogic.com) which does just that - they're looking for people who would be willing to handle support of Hobbit. If any of you are interested feel free to contact them. They pay you per incident you solve. I don't think I'll join them, but that's because I frankly have more than enough to fill up my 24h/day. Note: I know nothing about the company, so don't take this as an endorsement. Regards, Henrik
list Rich Smrcina
It definitely doesn't work that way in the System z world. Software defects are taken very seriously, most are resolved expeditiously.
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Stef Coene wrote:On Friday 12 December 2008, michael nemeth wrote:Oh I agree with you about license. What foolishness! We have MANY license that have no support. So wrong about "commercial licenses".Have you ever tried to get support if you have a 'commercial licenses'? I work for an IBM, Oracle and Microsoft business partner, and only 1 out of xxx calls is solved by the software supplier. Most of the time they wait long enough for us to find a solution or a work around. And most of the time, the solution is to upgrade to the latest version. And to do so, you have to upgrade everything: software / OS / firmware. Stef
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list Stef Coene
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On Friday 12 December 2008, Rich Smrcina wrote:
It definitely doesn't work that way in the System z world. Software defects are taken very seriously, most are resolved expeditiously.
I prevented myself from writing down down the bad (and the good) things about IBM. But I think this is too much off topic ... Some departments of IBM are indeed very good in giving support, but some of them .... pffff .... Stef