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Hi Guys Where can I find the Hobbit User list? Our company is being monitored by Xymon but we have a new manager here that suffers from MS mania. He now wants to spend a couple of thousand dollars on a new monitoring system. I am not going to back down without a fight so if I can show him this list maybe he will realize the error of his ways. I know there used to be a list somewhere if not mistaken at the http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/The_hobbit_Users_List or something like that. I just can't seem to find it. Regards Neil
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The new list can be found at: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/System_Monitoring_with_Xymon/User_Guide/The_Xymon_Users_list Regards, B Klomp
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From: Neil Franken [mailto:user-1689acfc5a3b@xymon.invalid] Sent: maandag 29 juni 2009 8:32 To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid Subject: [hobbit] Wanna show off. Hi Guys Where can I find the Hobbit User list? Our company is being monitored by Xymon but we have a new manager here that suffers from MS mania. He now wants to spend a couple of thousand dollars on a new monitoring system. I am not going to back down without a fight so if I can show him this list maybe he will realize the error of his ways. I know there used to be a list somewhere if not mistaken at the http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/The_hobbit_Users_List or something like that. I just can't seem to find it. Regards Neil *******************************************************************************************************
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On Monday 29 June 2009 08:32:00 Neil Franken wrote:
Where can I find the Hobbit User list? Our company is being monitored by Xymon but we have a new manager here that suffers from MS mania. He now wants to spend a couple of thousand dollars on a new monitoring system. I am not going to back down without a fight so if I can show him this list maybe he will realize the error of his ways.
From a business perspective, there may not be an error in his ways. Frankly, a business needs to ensure that their requirements are met in a cost effective manner. So, I would start out from the standpoint that your monitoring tools may not necessarily satisfy the business requirements, and that you are happy to work with him to document the monitoring requirements. Once they are documented, show that you can satisfy all the monitoring requirements with a lower cost, and no businessman will decide against you. Don't fight, cooperate to show that you take the business needs into account, and have actually satisfied them. If there are any monitoring requirements you don't meet yet ... identify them and let's see if we can provide options, before you have to report. I can however note that at least two ISPs in South Africa run Hobbit/Xymon (and Devmon). A recent sporting event in South Africa used Hobbit for monitoring components of the network ... I can give you some more examples off-list. Regards, Buchan
list David Peters
I would agree entirely. Having managed an IT Operations section of around 120 IT staff, I had the same issue with my CIO. Forget about the tool and go and spec the requirements (or help spec them). Then lay down the alternatives. One of the advantages of hobbit is that you can demo it at no cost and very little time. Manager's dont like to spend money if they dont have to, but at the same time are averse to risk so do not want to go down a path that may cost them money and time. I small demo of Hobbit (or if you already have it running ) may prove to be the clincher. OTOH, if another tool provides the features that hobbit cant without extensive effort then hobbit may not be the answer. (I am now ducking behind my desk in order to avoid the flames). David Peters +61 2 63913565 +61 4 17863572 From: Buchan Milne <user-9b139aff4dec@xymon.invalid> To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid Cc: "Neil Franken" <user-1689acfc5a3b@xymon.invalid> Date: 29/06/2009 07:16 PM Subject: Re: [hobbit] Wanna show off.
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On Monday 29 June 2009 08:32:00 Neil Franken wrote:
Where can I find the Hobbit User list? Our company is being monitored by Xymon but we have a new manager here that suffers from MS mania. He now wants to spend a couple of thousand dollars on a new monitoring system. I am not going to back down without a fight so if I can show him this list maybe he will realize the error of his ways.
From a business perspective, there may not be an error in his ways. Frankly, a business needs to ensure that their requirements are met in a cost effective manner. So, I would start out from the standpoint that your monitoring tools may not necessarily satisfy the business requirements, and that you are happy to work with him to document the monitoring requirements. Once they are documented, show that you can satisfy all the monitoring requirements with a lower cost, and no businessman will decide against you. Don't fight, cooperate to show that you take the business needs into account, and have actually satisfied them. If there are any monitoring requirements you don't meet yet ... identify them and let's see if we can provide options, before you have to report. I can however note that at least two ISPs in South Africa run Hobbit/Xymon (and Devmon). A recent sporting event in South Africa used Hobbit for monitoring components of the network ... I can give you some more examples off-list. Regards, Buchan
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Where I last worked, the company is managing a lot of webservers and other servers for airlines, travel companies, etc. One reason given for not using free/open source things is that they're not backed by a multi-million dollar company with support contracts and so on. They like to show off the NOC and Enterprise Command Centers to prospective customers and point out the various monitors by CA, HP and other big names. Ralph Mitchell
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On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 6:14 PM, <user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid> wrote:
I would agree entirely. Having managed an IT Operations section of around 120 IT staff, I had the same issue with my CIO. Forget about the tool and go and spec the requirements (or help spec them). Then lay down the alternatives. One of the advantages of hobbit is that you can demo it at no cost and very little time. Manager's dont like to spend money if they dont have to, but at the same time are averse to risk so do not want to go down a path that may cost them money and time. I small demo of Hobbit (or if you already have it running ) may prove to be the clincher. OTOH, if another tool provides the features that hobbit cant without extensive effort then hobbit may not be the answer. (I am now ducking behind my desk in order to avoid the flames). David Peters +61 2 63913565 +61 4 17863572 From: Buchan Milne <user-9b139aff4dec@xymon.invalid> To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid Cc: "Neil Franken" <user-1689acfc5a3b@xymon.invalid> Date: 29/06/2009 07:16 PM Subject: Re: [hobbit] Wanna show off. On Monday 29 June 2009 08:32:00 Neil Franken wrote:Where can I find the Hobbit User list? Our company is being monitored by Xymon but we have a new manager here that suffers from MS mania. He now wants to spend a couple of thousand dollars on a new monitoring system. I am not going to back down without a fight so if I can show him this list maybe he will realize the error of his ways.From a business perspective, there may not be an error in his ways. Frankly, a business needs to ensure that their requirements are met in a cost effective manner. So, I would start out from the standpoint that your monitoring tools may not necessarily satisfy the business requirements, and that you are happy to work with him to document the monitoring requirements. Once they are documented, show that you can satisfy all the monitoring requirements with a lower cost, and no businessman will decide against you. Don't fight, cooperate to show that you take the business needs into account, and have actually satisfied them. If there are any monitoring requirements you don't meet yet ... identify them and let's see if we can provide options, before you have to report. I can however note that at least two ISPs in South Africa run Hobbit/Xymon (and Devmon). A recent sporting event in South Africa used Hobbit for monitoring components of the network ... I can give you some more examples off-list. Regards, Buchan This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of their organisation.
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Unfortunately, I agree with Buchan on this.
You need to remember, the purpose of IT is to provide solutions, not run preferred software. And this cuts both ways.
You can't run Hobbit just because you like it.
But by the same token, your PHB can't run his commercial stuff, just because he likes it.
It needs to provide a solution to a business need.
One of the things you might find yourself up against, is that Hobbit doesn't have "Golf days" with free booze, and fancy cocktail parties and product launches with open bar tabs, goodie-bags and other junkets that the big vendors can provide.
And, for the morally elastic PHB, this is the clincher, not the quality of the solution.
Good luck.
Regards
V
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From: Buchan Milne [mailto:user-9b139aff4dec@xymon.invalid] Sent: Monday, 29 June 2009 5:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [hobbit] Wanna show off.
On Monday 29 June 2009 08:32:00 Neil Franken wrote:
Where can I find the Hobbit User list? Our company is being monitored by Xymon but we have a new manager here that suffers from MS mania. He now wants to spend a couple of thousand dollars on a new monitoring system. I am not going to back down without a fight so if I can show him this list maybe he will realize the error of his ways.
From a business perspective, there may not be an error in his ways. Frankly, a business needs to ensure that their requirements are met in a cost effective manner. So, I would start out from the standpoint that your monitoring tools may not necessarily satisfy the business requirements, and that you are happy to work with him to document the monitoring requirements. Once they are documented, show that you can satisfy all the monitoring requirements with a lower cost, and no businessman will decide against you. Don't fight, cooperate to show that you take the business needs into account, and have actually satisfied them. If there are any monitoring requirements you don't meet yet ... identify them and let's see if we can provide options, before you have to report. I can however note that at least two ISPs in South Africa run Hobbit/Xymon (and Devmon). A recent sporting event in South Africa used Hobbit for monitoring components of the network ... I can give you some more examples off-list. Regards, Buchan
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:32:00 +0200 From: user-1689acfc5a3b@xymon.invalid To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid Subject: [hobbit] Wanna show off.
Hi Guys
Where can I find the Hobbit User list? Our company is being monitored by Xymon but we have a new manager here that suffers from MS mania. He now wants to spend a couple of thousand dollars on a new monitoring system. I am not going to back down without a fight so if I can show him this list maybe he will realize the error of his ways. I know there used to be a list somewhere if not mistaken at the http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/The_hobbit_Users_List or something like that. I just can’t seem to find it.
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/The_hobbit_Users_list There are some big company using xymon but there are not listed in the list. tj
Regards Neil
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:11:17 -0500 From: user-00a5e44c48c0@xymon.invalid To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid Subject: Re: [hobbit] Wanna show off. Where I last worked, the company is managing a lot of webservers and other servers for airlines, travel companies, etc. One reason given for not using free/open source things is that they're not backed by a multi-million dollar company with support contracts and so on. They like to show off the NOC and Enterprise Command Centers to prospective customers and point out the various monitors by CA, HP and other big names.
This is one of xymon drawbacks to compete with other System Monitoring solutions. This point is a valid business concern. We really need to persuade Henrik(or others) to setup a xymon support company. I will be the first to buy the technical support. tj
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Ralph Mitchell On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 6:14 PM,> wrote: I would agree entirely. Having managed an IT Operations section of around 120 IT staff, I had the same issue with my CIO. Forget about the tool and go and spec the requirements (or help spec them). Then lay down the alternatives. One of the advantages of hobbit is that you can demo it at no cost and very little time. Manager's dont like to spend money if they dont have to, but at the same time are averse to risk so do not want to go down a path that may cost them money and time. I small demo of Hobbit (or if you already have it running ) may prove to be the clincher. OTOH, if another tool provides the features that hobbit cant without extensive effort then hobbit may not be the answer. (I am now ducking behind my desk in order to avoid the flames). David Peters +61 2 63913565 +61 4 17863572 From: Buchan Milne>
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Date: 29/06/2009 07:16 PM Subject: Re: [hobbit] Wanna show off. On Monday 29 June 2009 08:32:00 Neil Franken wrote:Where can I find the Hobbit User list? Our company is being monitored byXymon but we have a new manager here that suffers from MS mania. He nowwants to spend a couple of thousand dollars on a new monitoring system.I am not going to back down without a fight so if I can show him thislist maybe he will realize the error of his ways.From a business perspective, there may not be an error in his ways. Frankly, a business needs to ensure that their requirements are met in a cost effective manner. So, I would start out from the standpoint that your monitoring tools may not necessarily satisfy the business requirements, and that you are happy to work with him to document the monitoring requirements. Once they are documented, show that you can satisfy all the monitoring requirements with a lower cost, and no businessman will decide against you. Don't fight, cooperate to show that you take the business needs into account, and have actually satisfied them. If there are any monitoring requirements you don't meet yet ... identify them and let's see if we can provide options, before you have to report. I can however note that at least two ISPs in South Africa run Hobbit/Xymon (and Devmon). A recent sporting event in South Africa used Hobbit for monitoring components of the network ... I can give you some more examples off-list. Regards, Buchan This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of their organisation.
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I totally agree and have an example : the company where i work. We monitor 4 datacenters with it and it work great. Sadly, hobbit hasn't the possibility to create profiles and granty access to only some parts of the web console. So we are thinking to move on another product, preferably in a model between entreprise and community product. i'm sad we can't wait the new releases of xymon coming... but we need to admit that hobbit, however good it is, has not thoses functionalities yet Reagds, Denis
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Everett, Vernon wrote:Unfortunately, I agree with Buchan on this. You need to remember, the purpose of IT is to provide solutions, not run preferred software. And this cuts both ways. You can't run Hobbit just because you like it. But by the same token, your PHB can't run his commercial stuff, just because he likes it. It needs to provide a solution to a business need. One of the things you might find yourself up against, is that Hobbit doesn't have "Golf days" with free booze, and fancy cocktail parties and product launches with open bar tabs, goodie-bags and other junkets that the big vendors can provide. And, for the morally elastic PHB, this is the clincher, not the quality of the solution. Good luck. Regards V -----Original Message----- From: Buchan Milne [mailto:user-9b139aff4dec@xymon.invalid] Sent: Monday, 29 June 2009 5:12 PM To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid Cc: Neil Franken Subject: Re: [hobbit] Wanna show off. On Monday 29 June 2009 08:32:00 Neil Franken wrote:Where can I find the Hobbit User list? Our company is being monitored by Xymon but we have a new manager here that suffers from MS mania. He now wants to spend a couple of thousand dollars on a new monitoring system. I am not going to back down without a fight so if I can show him this list maybe he will realize the error of his ways.From a business perspective, there may not be an error in his ways. Frankly, a business needs to ensure that their requirements are met in a cost effective manner. So, I would start out from the standpoint that your monitoring tools may not necessarily satisfy the business requirements, and that you are happy to work with him to document the monitoring requirements. Once they are documented, show that you can satisfy all the monitoring requirements with a lower cost, and no businessman will decide against you. Don't fight, cooperate to show that you take the business needs into account, and have actually satisfied them. If there are any monitoring requirements you don't meet yet ... identify them and let's see if we can provide options, before you have to report. I can however note that at least two ISPs in South Africa run Hobbit/Xymon (and Devmon). A recent sporting event in South Africa used Hobbit for monitoring components of the network ... I can give you some more examples off-list. Regards, Buchan NOTICE: This email and any attachments are confidential. They may contain legally privileged information or copyright material. You must not read, copy, use or disclose them without authorisation. If you are not an intended recipient, please contact us at once by return email and then delete both messages and all attachments.
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On Tue, 30 Jun 2009, Denis wrote:
Sadly, hobbit hasn't the possibility to create profiles and granty access to only some parts of the web console. So we are thinking to move on another product, preferably in a model between entreprise and community product.
That's hardly necessary. We do exactly what you describe with a front-end web server and a couple of scripts. I suppose that you have some database mapping resources to customers. I can't publish the scripts for obvious reasons. Ulric
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Do you mean certain functions, or certain hosts. Either way, we do both and the authentication is done to the AD domain so you use your normal passwords and userid's. David Peters +61 2 63913565 +61 4 17863572 From: Denis <user-41ff130ea0ee@xymon.invalid> To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid Date: 01/07/2009 12:37 AM
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Re: [hobbit] Wanna show off.
I totally agree and have an example : the company where i work.
We monitor 4 datacenters with it and it work great.
Sadly, hobbit hasn't the possibility to create profiles and granty access to only some parts of the web console.
So we are thinking to move on another product, preferably in a model between entreprise and community product.
i'm sad we can't wait the new releases of xymon coming... but we need to admit that hobbit, however good it is, has not thoses functionalities yet
Reagds,
Denis
Everett, Vernon wrote: Unfortunately, I agree with Buchan on this.
You need to remember, the purpose of IT is to provide solutions, not run preferred software. And this cuts both ways.
You can't run Hobbit just because you like it.
But by the same token, your PHB can't run his commercial stuff, just because he likes it.
It needs to provide a solution to a business need.
One of the things you might find yourself up against, is that Hobbit doesn't have "Golf days" with free booze, and fancy cocktail parties and product launches with open bar tabs, goodie-bags and other junkets that the big vendors can provide.
And, for the morally elastic PHB, this is the clincher, not the quality of the solution.
Good luck.
Regards
V
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From: Buchan Milne [mailto:user-9b139aff4dec@xymon.invalid] Sent: Monday, 29 June 2009 5:12 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Cc: Neil Franken
Subject: Re: [hobbit] Wanna show off.
On Monday 29 June 2009 08:32:00 Neil Franken wrote:
Where can I find the Hobbit User list? Our company is being monitored by Xymon but we have a new manager here that suffers from MS mania. He now wants to spend a couple of thousand dollars on a new monitoring system.
I am not going to back down without a fight so if I can show him this list maybe he will realize the error of his ways.
From a business perspective, there may not be an error in his ways.
Frankly, a business needs to ensure that their requirements are met in a cost effective manner.
So, I would start out from the standpoint that your monitoring tools may not necessarily satisfy the business requirements, and that you are happy to work with him to document the monitoring requirements. Once they are documented, show that you can satisfy all the monitoring requirements with a lower cost, and no businessman will decide against you.
Don't fight, cooperate to show that you take the business needs into account, and have actually satisfied them.
If there are any monitoring requirements you don't meet yet ... identify them and let's see if we can provide options, before you have to report.
I can however note that at least two ISPs in South Africa run Hobbit/Xymon (and Devmon). A recent sporting event in South Africa used Hobbit for monitoring components of the network ...
I can give you some more examples off-list.
Regards,
Buchan
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Hi Guys I do realize that we need to provide business with solutions instead of preffered software. We are a small organization growing fast. So currently I am monitoring 15 servers with Xymon. I have been able to customize xymon to show me SQL user connections, SQL transactions per second and all the other good stuff. However the new HOD has decided that open source is rubbish. He hates it and does not want any open source products on the site. I have approached my CTO about this as it seems we are being forced to use solutions that this guy has some experience with. IMHO use the best tool for the job. Xymon is perfect when I started here there was no monitoring in place. With Xymon's help I took a severely unstable SQL environment to something that actually runs smoothly. Anyway once again thanks for the input. I just needed to show my CTO that this is not just some small time mickey mouse monitoring system. Regards Neil
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From: user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid [mailto:user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid]
Sent: 01 July 2009 01:44 AM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] Wanna show off.
Do you mean certain functions, or certain hosts. Either way, we do both
and the authentication is done to the AD domain so you use your normal
passwords and userid's.
David Peters
+61 2 63913565
+61 4 17863572
From:
Denis <user-41ff130ea0ee@xymon.invalid>
To:
user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Date:
01/07/2009 12:37 AM
Subject:
Re: [hobbit] Wanna show off.
I totally agree and have an example : the company where i work.
We monitor 4 datacenters with it and it work great.
Sadly, hobbit hasn't the possibility to create profiles and granty
access to only some parts of the web console.
So we are thinking to move on another product, preferably in a model
between entreprise and community product.
i'm sad we can't wait the new releases of xymon coming... but we need to
admit that hobbit, however good it is, has not thoses functionalities
yet
Reagds,
Denis
Everett, Vernon wrote:
Unfortunately, I agree with Buchan on this.
You need to remember, the purpose of IT is to provide solutions, not run
preferred software.
And this cuts both ways.
You can't run Hobbit just because you like it.
But by the same token, your PHB can't run his commercial stuff, just
because he likes it.
It needs to provide a solution to a business need.
One of the things you might find yourself up against, is that Hobbit
doesn't have "Golf days" with free booze, and fancy cocktail parties and
product launches with open bar tabs, goodie-bags and other junkets that
the big vendors can provide.
And, for the morally elastic PHB, this is the clincher, not the quality
of the solution.
Good luck.
Regards
V
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Subject: Re: [hobbit] Wanna show off.
On Monday 29 June 2009 08:32:00 Neil Franken wrote:
Where can I find the Hobbit User list? Our company is being monitored
by Xymon but we have a new manager here that suffers from MS mania.
He now wants to spend a couple of thousand dollars on a new monitoring
system.
I am not going to back down without a fight so if I can show him this
list maybe he will realize the error of his ways.
From a business perspective, there may not be an error in his ways.
Frankly, a business needs to ensure that their requirements are met in a
cost effective manner.
So, I would start out from the standpoint that your monitoring tools may
not necessarily satisfy the business requirements, and that you are
happy to work with him to document the monitoring requirements. Once
they are documented, show that you can satisfy all the monitoring
requirements with a lower cost, and no businessman will decide against
you.
Don't fight, cooperate to show that you take the business needs into
account, and have actually satisfied them.
If there are any monitoring requirements you don't meet yet ... identify
them and let's see if we can provide options, before you have to report.
I can however note that at least two ISPs in South Africa run
Hobbit/Xymon (and Devmon). A recent sporting event in South Africa used
Hobbit for monitoring components of the network ...
I can give you some more examples off-list.
Regards,
Buchan
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On Tuesday 30 June 2009 16:21:46 Denis wrote:
I totally agree and have an example : the company where i work. We monitor 4 datacenters with it and it work great. Sadly, hobbit hasn't the possibility to create profiles and granty access to only some parts of the web console. So we are thinking to move on another product, preferably in a model between entreprise and community product. i'm sad we can't wait the new releases of xymon coming... but we need to admit that hobbit, however good it is, has not thoses functionalities yet
1)I think it should actually be quite easy to workaround this by having different areas in separate files, and including them into the main bb-hosts file, running bb-gen for each include file separately (to set a different cgi path), and multiple scriptalias statements to the usual CGIs, with SetEnv used inside the location to set the correct BBHOSTS variable (and do the authorization on the apache side). 2)This feature is on the roadmap for 4.5 I think 3)This is something that could be implemented without any changes to any core Xymon code. I haven't had time to start a web interface, but if we can get a few people to agree on the architecture, I am sure we can have something working without too much effort or time. Regards, Buchan
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Every time I see this kind help request, I feel bad that one need to argue/fight alone to use xymon as your system monitoring solution. In R1, I was preparing a series of slides, in the hope to help one present Xymon's case. This slide project is less important to me now since my site is using xymon. That is why the alpha slides was modified 7 months ago. Anyone willing to help ? R1: http://hobbitmon.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/hobbitmon/sandbox/tjyang/docs/xymon-slides/ T.J. Yang
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Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:04:26 +0200 From: user-1689acfc5a3b@xymon.invalid To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid Subject: RE: [hobbit] Wanna show off. Hi Guys I do realize that we need to provide business with solutions instead of preffered software. We are a small organization growing fast. So currently I am monitoring 15 servers with Xymon. I have been able to customize xymon to show me SQL user connections, SQL transactions per second and all the other good stuff. However the new HOD has decided that open source is rubbish. He hates it and does not want any open source products on the site. I have approached my CTO about this as it seems we are being forced to use solutions that this guy has some experience with. IMHO use the best tool for the job. Xymon is perfect when I started here there was no monitoring in place. With Xymon’s help I took a severely unstable SQL environment to something that actually runs smoothly. Anyway once again thanks for the input. I just needed to show my CTO that this is not just some small time mickey mouse monitoring system. Regards Neil From: user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid [mailto:user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid] Sent: 01 July 2009 01:44 AM To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid Subject: Re: [hobbit] Wanna show off. Do you mean certain functions, or certain hosts. Either way, we do both and the authentication is done to the AD domain so you use your normal passwords and userid's. David Peters +61 2 63913565 +61 4 17863572 From: Denis To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid Date: 01/07/2009 12:37 AM Subject: Re: [hobbit] Wanna show off. I totally agree and have an example : the company where i work. We monitor 4 datacenters with it and it work great. Sadly, hobbit hasn't the possibility to create profiles and granty access to only some parts of the web console. So we are thinking to move on another product, preferably in a model between entreprise and community product. i'm sad we can't wait the new releases of xymon coming... but we need to admit that hobbit, however good it is, has not thoses functionalities yet Reagds, Denis Everett, Vernon wrote: Unfortunately, I agree with Buchan on this. You need to remember, the purpose of IT is to provide solutions, not run preferred software. And this cuts both ways. You can't run Hobbit just because you like it. But by the same token, your PHB can't run his commercial stuff, just because he likes it. It needs to provide a solution to a business need. One of the things you might find yourself up against, is that Hobbit doesn't have "Golf days" with free booze, and fancy cocktail parties and product launches with open bar tabs, goodie-bags and other junkets that the big vendors can provide. And, for the morally elastic PHB, this is the clincher, not the quality of the solution. Good luck. Regards V -----Original Message----- From: Buchan Milne [mailto:user-9b139aff4dec@xymon.invalid] Sent: Monday, 29 June 2009 5:12 PM To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid Cc: Neil Franken Subject: Re: [hobbit] Wanna show off. On Monday 29 June 2009 08:32:00 Neil Franken wrote: Where can I find the Hobbit User list? Our company is being monitored by Xymon but we have a new manager here that suffers from MS mania. He now wants to spend a couple of thousand dollars on a new monitoring system. I am not going to back down without a fight so if I can show him this list maybe he will realize the error of his ways. From a business perspective, there may not be an error in his ways. Frankly, a business needs to ensure that their requirements are met in a cost effective manner. So, I would start out from the standpoint that your monitoring tools may not necessarily satisfy the business requirements, and that you are happy to work with him to document the monitoring requirements. Once they are documented, show that you can satisfy all the monitoring requirements with a lower cost, and no businessman will decide against you. Don't fight, cooperate to show that you take the business needs into account, and have actually satisfied them. If there are any monitoring requirements you don't meet yet ... identify them and let's see if we can provide options, before you have to report. I can however note that at least two ISPs in South Africa run Hobbit/Xymon (and Devmon). A recent sporting event in South Africa used Hobbit for monitoring components of the network ... I can give you some more examples off-list. Regards, Buchan
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Hi All Xymon is on and rolling out full time into production here. The new HOD is starting his conversion to *Nix and I am happy that we not spending the money as this translate into a better profit share for me. Thanks for all the input and help from the various people on the list. Regards Neil
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-----Original Message-----
From: T.J. Yang [mailto:user-8e841282cda5@xymon.invalid]
Sent: 01 July 2009 02:24 PM
To: hobbit system monitoring
Subject: RE: [hobbit] Wanna show off.
Every time I see this kind help request, I feel bad that one need to
argue/fight alone to use xymon as your system monitoring solution.
In R1, I was preparing a series of slides, in the hope to help one
present Xymon's case.
This slide project is less important to me now since my site is using
xymon. That is why the alpha slides was modified 7 months ago. Anyone
willing to help ?
R1:http://hobbitmon.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/hobbitmon/sandbox/tjyang/doc s/xymon-slides/
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T.J. Yang
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:04:26 +0200 From: user-1689acfc5a3b@xymon.invalid To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid Subject: RE: [hobbit] Wanna show off. Hi Guys I do realize that we need to provide business with solutions instead of preffered software. We are a small organization growing fast. So currently I am monitoring 15 servers with Xymon. I have been able to customize xymon to show me SQL user connections, SQL transactions per second and all the other good stuff. However the new HOD has decided that open source is rubbish. He hates it and does not want any open source products on the site. I have approached my CTO about this as it seems we are being forced to use solutions that this guy has some experience with. IMHO use the best tool for the job. Xymon is perfect when I started here there was no monitoring in place. With Xymon's help I took a severely unstable SQL environment to something that actually runs smoothly. Anyway once again thanks for the input. I just needed to show my CTO that this is not just some small time mickey mouse monitoring system. Regards Neil From: user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid [mailto:user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid] Sent: 01 July 2009 01:44 AM To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid Subject: Re: [hobbit] Wanna show off. Do you mean certain functions, or certain hosts. Either way, we do both and the authentication is done to the AD domain so you use your normal passwords and userid's. David Peters +61 2 63913565 +61 4 17863572 From: Denis To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid Date: 01/07/2009 12:37 AM Subject: Re: [hobbit] Wanna show off. I totally agree and have an example : the company where i work. We monitor 4 datacenters with it and it work great. Sadly, hobbit hasn't the possibility to create profiles and granty access to only some parts of the web console. So we are thinking to move on another product, preferably in a model between entreprise and community product. i'm sad we can't wait the new releases of xymon coming... but we need to admit that hobbit, however good it is, has not thoses functionalities yet Reagds, Denis Everett, Vernon wrote: Unfortunately, I agree with Buchan on this. You need to remember, the purpose of IT is to provide solutions, not run preferred software. And this cuts both ways. You can't run Hobbit just because you like it. But by the same token, your PHB can't run his commercial stuff, just because he likes it. It needs to provide a solution to a business need. One of the things you might find yourself up against, is that Hobbit doesn't have "Golf days" with free booze, and fancy cocktail parties and product launches with open bar tabs, goodie-bags and other junkets that the big vendors can provide. And, for the morally elastic PHB, this is the clincher, not the quality of the solution. Good luck. Regards V -----Original Message----- From: Buchan Milne [mailto:user-9b139aff4dec@xymon.invalid] Sent: Monday, 29 June 2009 5:12 PM To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid Cc: Neil Franken Subject: Re: [hobbit] Wanna show off. On Monday 29 June 2009 08:32:00 Neil Franken wrote: Where can I find the Hobbit User list? Our company is being monitored by Xymon but we have a new manager here that suffers from MS mania. He now wants to spend a couple of thousand dollars on a new monitoring system. I am not going to back down without a fight so if I can show him this list maybe he will realize the error of his ways. From a business perspective, there may not be an error in his ways. Frankly, a business needs to ensure that their requirements are met in a cost effective manner. So, I would start out from the standpoint that your monitoring tools may not necessarily satisfy the business requirements, and that you are happy to work with him to document the monitoring requirements. Once they are documented, show that you can satisfy all the monitoring requirements with a lower cost, and no businessman will decide against you. Don't fight, cooperate to show that you take the business needs into account, and have actually satisfied them. If there are any monitoring requirements you don't meet yet ... identify them and let's see if we can provide options, before you have to report. I can however note that at least two ISPs in South Africa run Hobbit/Xymon (and Devmon). A recent sporting event in South Africa used Hobbit for monitoring components of the network ... I can give you some more examples off-list. Regards, Buchan To unsubscribe from the hobbit list, send an e-mail to user-095ef1c764a2@xymon.invalid NOTICE: This email and any attachments are confidential. They may contain legally privileged information or copyright material. You must not read, copy, use or disclose them without authorisation. 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Neil Franken wrote:
Hi All Xymon is on and rolling out full time into production here. The new HOD is starting his conversion to *Nix and I am happy that we not spending the money as this translate into a better profit share for me.
That's great news, congrats! Joe