"Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will happen 🔗 link

Hi everyone,

some lawyers behind the movie company that produced the "Lord of the
Rings" trilogy have contacted me about using the name "Hobbit" for the
Hobbit monitor project.

Fortunately, it seems that these people are actually quite sensible.
They just want to make sure that there is no risk of anyone assuming
that the "Hobbit monitor" has anything to do with the books, movies,
merchandise etc. that they produce.

So they've suggested that beginning with the next release, "Hobbit
monitor" is renamed to either "Hobbi monitor" (without the 't'), or
"H.O.B.B.I.T. Monitor" . Or something else, but they want to know
if I pick something else.

The full correspondance can be seen at
http://www.hobbitmon.com/hobbitdocs/legal/

My current preference is to use the "H.O.B.B.I.T." version;
this is most like the current name, and it would also fit
with all of the current URL's used for various Hobbit functions (e.g.
the "hobbitmon.sf.net" project page). I'm going to write the lawyers and
get a definite OK that I can use "hobbitmon" in URL's and such;
I doubt that I can get Sourceforge to accept a project named
"h.o.b.b.i.t." since that would probably cause havoc with the DNS
entries ...

But I'd like to hear if there are other suggestions or opinions.


Regards,
Henrik

On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Henrik Stoerner <user-ce4a2c883f75@xymon.invalid> wrote:

Hi everyone,

some lawyers behind the movie company that produced the "Lord of the
Rings" trilogy have contacted me about using the name "Hobbit" for the
Hobbit monitor project.

Fortunately, it seems that these people are actually quite sensible.
They just want to make sure that there is no risk of anyone assuming
that the "Hobbit monitor" has anything to do with the books, movies,
merchandise etc. that they produce.

So they've suggested that beginning with the next release, "Hobbit
monitor" is renamed to either "Hobbi monitor" (without the 't'), or
"H.O.B.B.I.T. Monitor" . Or something else, but they want to know
if I pick something else.

The full correspondance can be seen at
http://www.hobbitmon.com/hobbitdocs/legal/

My current preference is to use the "H.O.B.B.I.T." version;
this is most like the current name, and it would also fit
with all of the current URL's used for various Hobbit functions (e.g.
the "hobbitmon.sf.net" project page). I'm going to write the lawyers and
get a definite OK that I can use "hobbitmon" in URL's and such;
I doubt that I can get Sourceforge to accept a project named
"h.o.b.b.i.t." since that would probably cause havoc with the DNS
entries ...

But I'd like to hear if there are other suggestions or opinions.


Regards,
Henrik

From: "Smith, Jim" <user-dc30f243a817@xymon.invalid>
Reply-To: <user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid>
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:31:22 -0600
To: <user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid>
Subject: RE: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will
happen

My suggestion is to kill all lawyers!  <grin>

Actually, I think "hobbitmon" is good.

Jim Smith


-----Original Message-----
From: Henrik Stoerner [mailto:user-ce4a2c883f75@xymon.invalid]
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 11:30 AM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will
happen

Hi everyone,

some lawyers behind the movie company that produced the "Lord of the
Rings" trilogy have contacted me about using the name "Hobbit" for the
Hobbit monitor project.

Fortunately, it seems that these people are actually quite sensible.
They just want to make sure that there is no risk of anyone assuming
that the "Hobbit monitor" has anything to do with the books, movies,
merchandise etc. that they produce.

So they've suggested that beginning with the next release, "Hobbit
monitor" is renamed to either "Hobbi monitor" (without the 't'), or
"H.O.B.B.I.T. Monitor" . Or something else, but they want to know
if I pick something else.

The full correspondance can be seen at
http://www.hobbitmon.com/hobbitdocs/legal/

My current preference is to use the "H.O.B.B.I.T." version;
this is most like the current name, and it would also fit
with all of the current URL's used for various Hobbit functions (e.g.
the "hobbitmon.sf.net" project page). I'm going to write the lawyers and
get a definite OK that I can use "hobbitmon" in URL's and such;
I doubt that I can get Sourceforge to accept a project named
"h.o.b.b.i.t." since that would probably cause havoc with the DNS
entries ...

But I'd like to hear if there are other suggestions or opinions.


Regards,
Henrik

-----Original Message-----
From: Henrik Stoerner [mailto:user-ce4a2c883f75@xymon.invalid] 
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 11:30 AM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will
happen

Hi everyone,

some lawyers behind the movie company that produced the "Lord of the
Rings" trilogy have contacted me about using the name "Hobbit" for the
Hobbit monitor project.

Fortunately, it seems that these people are actually quite sensible.
They just want to make sure that there is no risk of anyone assuming
that the "Hobbit monitor" has anything to do with the books, movies,
merchandise etc. that they produce.

So they've suggested that beginning with the next release, "Hobbit
monitor" is renamed to either "Hobbi monitor" (without the 't'), or
"H.O.B.B.I.T. Monitor" . Or something else, but they want to know if I
pick something else.

The full correspondance can be seen at
http://www.hobbitmon.com/hobbitdocs/legal/

My current preference is to use the "H.O.B.B.I.T." version; this is most
like the current name, and it would also fit with all of the current
URL's used for various Hobbit functions (e.g.
the "hobbitmon.sf.net" project page). I'm going to write the lawyers and
get a definite OK that I can use "hobbitmon" in URL's and such; I doubt
that I can get Sourceforge to accept a project named "h.o.b.b.i.t."
since that would probably cause havoc with the DNS entries ...

But I'd like to hear if there are other suggestions or opinions.


Regards,
Henrik

 
-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Luthman [mailto:user-4c45a83f15cb@xymon.invalid] 
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 12:41 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will
happen

 
My preference is to call it "Hobbitmon".  Small change that should be
legally satisfying and yet subtle to keep everyone on track.  Not to
mention you don't have to move the project on SF.

I did find this laughable.  It seems the enterprise and team of lawyers
are too lazy to read the front page.

"...you may have chosen to name your project "Hobbit" or "Hobbit
Monitor" out of a deep appreciation for the Tolkien Works."

Josh Luthman
Office: XXX-XXX-XXXX
Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX
XXXX Wayne St
Suite XXXX
Troy, OH XXXXX

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer 

On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Henrik Stoerner <user-ce4a2c883f75@xymon.invalid>
wrote:

Hi everyone,

some lawyers behind the movie company that produced the "Lord of the
Rings" trilogy have contacted me about using the name "Hobbit" for the
Hobbit monitor project.

Fortunately, it seems that these people are actually quite sensible.
They just want to make sure that there is no risk of anyone assuming
that the "Hobbit monitor" has anything to do with the books, movies,
merchandise etc. that they produce.

So they've suggested that beginning with the next release, "Hobbit
monitor" is renamed to either "Hobbi monitor" (without the 't'), or
"H.O.B.B.I.T. Monitor" . Or something else, but they want to know
if I pick something else.

The full correspondance can be seen at
http://www.hobbitmon.com/hobbitdocs/legal/

My current preference is to use the "H.O.B.B.I.T." version;
this is most like the current name, and it would also fit
with all of the current URL's used for various Hobbit functions (e.g.
the "hobbitmon.sf.net" project page). I'm going to write the lawyers and
get a definite OK that I can use "hobbitmon" in URL's and such;
I doubt that I can get Sourceforge to accept a project named
"h.o.b.b.i.t." since that would probably cause havoc with the DNS
entries ...

But I'd like to hear if there are other suggestions or opinions.


Regards,
Henrik

-----Original Message-----
From: Hubbard, Greg L [mailto:user-d970b5e56ec9@xymon.invalid] 
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 11:57 AM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: RE: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will
happen

Why don't you rename it "Gandalf"?

-----Original Message-----
From: Henrik Stoerner [mailto:user-ce4a2c883f75@xymon.invalid] 
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 11:30 AM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will
happen

Hi everyone,

some lawyers behind the movie company that produced the "Lord of the
Rings" trilogy have contacted me about using the name "Hobbit" for the
Hobbit monitor project.

Fortunately, it seems that these people are actually quite sensible.
They just want to make sure that there is no risk of anyone assuming
that the "Hobbit monitor" has anything to do with the books, movies,
merchandise etc. that they produce.

So they've suggested that beginning with the next release, "Hobbit
monitor" is renamed to either "Hobbi monitor" (without the 't'), or
"H.O.B.B.I.T. Monitor" . Or something else, but they want to know if I
pick something else.

The full correspondance can be seen at
http://www.hobbitmon.com/hobbitdocs/legal/

My current preference is to use the "H.O.B.B.I.T." version; this is most
like the current name, and it would also fit with all of the current
URL's used for various Hobbit functions (e.g.
the "hobbitmon.sf.net" project page). I'm going to write the lawyers and
get a definite OK that I can use "hobbitmon" in URL's and such; I doubt
that I can get Sourceforge to accept a project named "h.o.b.b.i.t."
since that would probably cause havoc with the DNS entries ...

But I'd like to hear if there are other suggestions or opinions.


Regards,
Henrik

On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Ulric Eriksson <user-de31148ebe0c@xymon.invalid> wrote:

Change the name or kill the lawyers? Let's do both! :D

Hobbitmon is quite acceptable, I think.

-----Original Message-----
From: Henrik Stoerner [mailto:user-ce4a2c883f75@xymon.invalid] 
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 12:30 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will happen

Hi everyone,

some lawyers behind the movie company that produced the "Lord of the
Rings" trilogy have contacted me about using the name "Hobbit" for the
Hobbit monitor project.

Fortunately, it seems that these people are actually quite sensible.
They just want to make sure that there is no risk of anyone assuming
that the "Hobbit monitor" has anything to do with the books, movies,
merchandise etc. that they produce.

So they've suggested that beginning with the next release, "Hobbit
monitor" is renamed to either "Hobbi monitor" (without the 't'), or
"H.O.B.B.I.T. Monitor" . Or something else, but they want to know
if I pick something else.

The full correspondance can be seen at
http://www.hobbitmon.com/hobbitdocs/legal/

My current preference is to use the "H.O.B.B.I.T." version;
this is most like the current name, and it would also fit
with all of the current URL's used for various Hobbit functions (e.g.
the "hobbitmon.sf.net" project page). I'm going to write the lawyers and
get a definite OK that I can use "hobbitmon" in URL's and such;
I doubt that I can get Sourceforge to accept a project named
"h.o.b.b.i.t." since that would probably cause havoc with the DNS
entries ...

But I'd like to hear if there are other suggestions or opinions.


Regards,
Henrik

-----Original Message-----
From: Henrik Stoerner [mailto:user-ce4a2c883f75@xymon.invalid] 
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 12:30
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name 
change will happen

My current preference is to use the "H.O.B.B.I.T." version;
this is most like the current name, and it would also fit
with all of the current URL's used for various Hobbit functions (e.g.
the "hobbitmon.sf.net" project page). I'm going to write the 
lawyers and
get a definite OK that I can use "hobbitmon" in URL's and such;
I doubt that I can get Sourceforge to accept a project named
"h.o.b.b.i.t." since that would probably cause havoc with the DNS
entries ...

But I'd like to hear if there are other suggestions or opinions.

On Thu, 31 Jul 2008, Henrik Stoerner wrote:

Hi everyone,

some lawyers behind the movie company that produced the "Lord of the
Rings" trilogy have contacted me about using the name "Hobbit" for the
Hobbit monitor project.

Fortunately, it seems that these people are actually quite sensible.
They just want to make sure that there is no risk of anyone assuming
that the "Hobbit monitor" has anything to do with the books, movies,
merchandise etc. that they produce.

So they've suggested that beginning with the next release, "Hobbit
monitor" is renamed to either "Hobbi monitor" (without the 't'), or
"H.O.B.B.I.T. Monitor" . Or something else, but they want to know
if I pick something else.

The full correspondance can be seen at
http://www.hobbitmon.com/hobbitdocs/legal/

My current preference is to use the "H.O.B.B.I.T." version;
this is most like the current name, and it would also fit
with all of the current URL's used for various Hobbit functions (e.g.
the "hobbitmon.sf.net" project page). I'm going to write the lawyers and
get a definite OK that I can use "hobbitmon" in URL's and such;
I doubt that I can get Sourceforge to accept a project named
"h.o.b.b.i.t." since that would probably cause havoc with the DNS
entries ...

But I'd like to hear if there are other suggestions or opinions.


Regards,
Henrik

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Eggleston [mailto:user-4ff7b7cae5b8@xymon.invalid]
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 1:34 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will happen

On Thu, 31 Jul 2008, Kern, Thomas might have said:

How about Palantir ?

No, 'precious'!

Mike

martin


On Thu, 31 Jul 2008, Galen Johnson wrote:

I like it...it's exactly what the Palantir were for...

=G=

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Eggleston [mailto:user-4ff7b7cae5b8@xymon.invalid]
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 1:34 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will happen

On Thu, 31 Jul 2008, Kern, Thomas might have said:

How about Palantir ?

No, 'precious'!

Mike

On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 2:41 PM, J Sloan <user-b1d2c84d244b@xymon.invalid> wrote:

Martin Flemming wrote:

 .... maybe "Hobbitse" like Gollum has said ...

    ... thousand of little Hobbitse ...  :-)

That sounds too much like goatse, there could be legal problems...

Joe

martin

On Thu, 31 Jul 2008, Josh Luthman wrote:

I thought the exact same thing when I first read that.  I wasn't going to
say anything first to condemn myself, though =)

Josh Luthman
Office: XXX-XXX-XXXX
Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX
XXXX Wayne St
Suite XXXX
Troy, OH XXXXX

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer

On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 2:41 PM, J Sloan <user-b1d2c84d244b@xymon.invalid> wrote:

Martin Flemming wrote:

 .... maybe "Hobbitse" like Gollum has said ...

    ... thousand of little Hobbitse ...  :-)

That sounds too much like goatse, there could be legal problems...

Joe

On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 12:41 PM, rdeal <user-a44af7422b8a@xymon.invalid> wrote:

I agree though it does sound a little too Jamaican mon. ;)

From: "Smith, Jim" <user-dc30f243a817@xymon.invalid>
Reply-To: <user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid>
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:31:22 -0600
To: <user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid>
Subject: RE: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will
happen

My suggestion is to kill all lawyers!  <grin>

Actually, I think "hobbitmon" is good.

Jim Smith


-----Original Message-----
From: Henrik Stoerner [mailto:user-ce4a2c883f75@xymon.invalid]
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 11:30 AM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will
happen

Hi everyone,

some lawyers behind the movie company that produced the "Lord of the
Rings" trilogy have contacted me about using the name "Hobbit" for the
Hobbit monitor project.

Fortunately, it seems that these people are actually quite sensible.
They just want to make sure that there is no risk of anyone assuming
that the "Hobbit monitor" has anything to do with the books, movies,
merchandise etc. that they produce.

So they've suggested that beginning with the next release, "Hobbit
monitor" is renamed to either "Hobbi monitor" (without the 't'), or
"H.O.B.B.I.T. Monitor" . Or something else, but they want to know
if I pick something else.

The full correspondance can be seen at
http://www.hobbitmon.com/hobbitdocs/legal/

My current preference is to use the "H.O.B.B.I.T." version;
this is most like the current name, and it would also fit
with all of the current URL's used for various Hobbit functions (e.g.
the "hobbitmon.sf.net" project page). I'm going to write the lawyers and
get a definite OK that I can use "hobbitmon" in URL's and such;
I doubt that I can get Sourceforge to accept a project named
"h.o.b.b.i.t." since that would probably cause havoc with the DNS
entries ...

But I'd like to hear if there are other suggestions or opinions.


Regards,
Henrik

- -


On fim 31.júl 2008 20:28, Josh Luthman wrote:

I know I could go for a trip to Jamaica.  Maybe Hobbitmon will help me
keep those thoughts at bay.

Josh Luthman
Office: XXX-XXX-XXXX
Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX
XXXX Wayne St
Suite XXXX
Troy, OH XXXXX

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 12:41 PM, rdeal <user-a44af7422b8a@xymon.invalid
<mailto:user-a44af7422b8a@xymon.invalid>> wrote:

    I agree though it does sound a little too Jamaican mon. ;)

From: "Smith, Jim" <user-dc30f243a817@xymon.invalid
Reply-To: <user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid>>
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:31:22 -0600
To: <user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid>>
Subject: RE: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name
    change will
happen

My suggestion is to kill all lawyers!  <grin>

Actually, I think "hobbitmon" is good.

Jim Smith


-----Original Message-----
From: Henrik Stoerner [mailto:user-ce4a2c883f75@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-ce4a2c883f75@xymon.invalid>]
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 11:30 AM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid>
Subject: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will
happen

Hi everyone,

some lawyers behind the movie company that produced the "Lord of the
Rings" trilogy have contacted me about using the name "Hobbit" for the
Hobbit monitor project.

Fortunately, it seems that these people are actually quite sensible.
They just want to make sure that there is no risk of anyone assuming
that the "Hobbit monitor" has anything to do with the books, movies,
merchandise etc. that they produce.

So they've suggested that beginning with the next release, "Hobbit
monitor" is renamed to either "Hobbi monitor" (without the 't'), or
"H.O.B.B.I.T. Monitor" . Or something else, but they want to know

The full correspondance can be seen at
http://www.hobbitmon.com/hobbitdocs/legal/

My current preference is to use the "H.O.B.B.I.T." version;
this is most like the current name, and it would also fit
with all of the current URL's used for various Hobbit functions (e.g.

    I'm going to write the lawyers and

get a definite OK that I can use "hobbitmon" in URL's and such;
I doubt that I can get Sourceforge to accept a project named
"h.o.b.b.i.t." since that would probably cause havoc with the DNS
entries ...

But I'd like to hear if there are other suggestions or opinions.

	From: T.J. Yang [mailto:user-8e841282cda5@xymon.invalid] 
	Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 4:27 PM
	To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
	Subject: RE: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name
change will happen
	
	
	I would suggest the new name should related the nature of system
monitoring more.
	Make it easier to be understand the function of the software by
just reading its name.
	
	This is actually a good chance to make the name right.
	
	
	T.J. Yang
	
	
	Time for vacation? WIN what you need. Enter Now!
<http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm>;

From: Hubbard, Greg L [user-d970b5e56ec9@xymon.invalid]
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 5:37 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: RE: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will happen

Okay, how about "Henrik's Most Excellent Server and Application and Service Monitoring System with Many Contributions from the Shirefolk".

Or "Henrik's Outstanding Big Brother Improvement Technologies" -- ( H. O. B. B. I. T. )

Or ... (I had better stop here!)

GLH

From: T.J. Yang [mailto:user-8e841282cda5@xymon.invalid]
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 4:27 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: RE: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will happen

I would suggest the new name should related the nature of system monitoring more.
Make it easier to be understand the function of the software by just reading its name.

This is actually a good chance to make the name right.


T.J. Yang

On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Galen Johnson <user-87f955643e3d@xymon.invalid>wrote:

HMESaAaSMSwMCftS???  That's a mouthful...I like the second choice better.
 Or maybe Glaurung...or Bilbo (again...there's already a Frodo out
there...IIRC, it's a C64 emulator)...or Hobbit is not Hobbit...HinH...there
are precedents (GNU...GNU's not unix)...

=G=

From: Hubbard, Greg L [user-d970b5e56ec9@xymon.invalid]
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 5:37 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: RE: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will
happen

Okay, how about "Henrik's Most Excellent Server and Application and Service
Monitoring System with Many Contributions from the Shirefolk".

Or "Henrik's Outstanding Big Brother Improvement Technologies" -- ( H. O.
B. B. I. T. )

Or ... (I had better stop here!)

GLH

From: T.J. Yang [mailto:user-8e841282cda5@xymon.invalid]
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 4:27 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: RE: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will
happen

I would suggest the new name should related the nature of system monitoring
more.
Make it easier to be understand the function of the software by just
reading its name.

This is actually a good chance to make the name right.


T.J. Yang


Time for vacation? WIN what you need. Enter Now!<
http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm>;

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 5:42 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid 
Subject: Re: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will happen


Funny seeing everyone get ridiculous in this mailing list =)

Still, I think the consensus is Hobbitmon.

Josh Luthman
Office: XXX-XXX-XXXX
Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX
XXXX Wayne St
Suite XXXX
Troy, OH XXXXX

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Galen Johnson <user-87f955643e3d@xymon.invalid> wrote:

  HMESaAaSMSwMCftS???  That's a mouthful...I like the second choice better.  Or maybe Glaurung...or Bilbo (again...there's already a Frodo out there...IIRC, it's a C64 emulator)...or Hobbit is not Hobbit...HinH...there are precedents (GNU...GNU's not unix)...

  =G=

  From: Hubbard, Greg L [user-d970b5e56ec9@xymon.invalid]
  Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 5:37 PM

  To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
  Subject: RE: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will happen

  Okay, how about "Henrik's Most Excellent Server and Application and Service Monitoring System with Many Contributions from the Shirefolk".

  Or "Henrik's Outstanding Big Brother Improvement Technologies" -- ( H. O. B. B. I. T. )

  Or ... (I had better stop here!)

  GLH

  From: T.J. Yang [mailto:user-8e841282cda5@xymon.invalid]
  Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 4:27 PM
  To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
  Subject: RE: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will happen

  I would suggest the new name should related the nature of system monitoring more.
  Make it easier to be understand the function of the software by just reading its name.

  This is actually a good chance to make the name right.


  T.J. Yang


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Hubbard, Greg L wrote:

Okay, how about "Henrik's Most Excellent Server and Application and Service Monitoring System with Many Contributions from the Shirefolk".
 Or "Henrik's Outstanding Big Brother Improvement Technologies" -- ( H. O. B. B. I. T. )
 Or ... (I had better stop here!)
 GLH

    *From:* T.J. Yang [mailto:user-8e841282cda5@xymon.invalid]
    *Sent:* Thursday, July 31, 2008 4:27 PM
    *To:* user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
    *Subject:* RE: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name
    change will happen

    I would suggest the new name should related the nature of system
    monitoring more.
    Make it easier to be understand the function of the software by just
    reading its name.

    This is actually a good chance to make the name right.


    T.J. Yang


    Time for vacation? WIN what you need. Enter Now!
    <http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm>;

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim McCloskey" <user-2644b182ab49@xymon.invalid>
To: <user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid>
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will 
happen

Whatever amounts to the least amount of work for Henrik is perhaps best.
How about calling it hmon or henrikmon?  Or just call it hobbit :)
Yeah, I know, hobbitmon is likely a good choice...


Cheers,

Tim

If you trust wikipedia:
1)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobbit_%28disambiguation%29
2)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobbit_%28word%29#Oxford.27s_position


Hubbard, Greg L wrote:

Okay, how about "Henrik's Most Excellent Server and Application and 
Service Monitoring System with Many Contributions from the Shirefolk".
 Or "Henrik's Outstanding Big Brother Improvement Technologies" -- ( H. 
O. B. B. I. T. )
 Or ... (I had better stop here!)
 GLH

    *From:* T.J. Yang [mailto:user-8e841282cda5@xymon.invalid]
    *Sent:* Thursday, July 31, 2008 4:27 PM
    *To:* user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
    *Subject:* RE: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name
    change will happen

    I would suggest the new name should related the nature of system
    monitoring more.
    Make it easier to be understand the function of the software by just
    reading its name.

    This is actually a good chance to make the name right.


    T.J. Yang


    Time for vacation? WIN what you need. Enter Now!
    <http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm>;

I have no name suggestions at this time, but I will give it some thought.
Hobbitmon, it not bad, but I think PHB's might be more receptive to HMON.

Everett, Vernon wrote:

Hobbitmon, it not bad, but I think PHB's might be more receptive to HMON.

On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 12:18 AM, Tim McCloskey <user-2644b182ab49@xymon.invalid> wrote:

Though I thought hmon would be simple it appears there is a company already
doing business here in the US called hmon... (hmon dot net). Oh well, darn
lawyers anyway....


Everett, Vernon wrote:

Hobbitmon, it not bad, but I think PHB's might be more receptive to HMON.

From: Josh Luthman [mailto:user-4c45a83f15cb@xymon.invalid] Sent: Friday, 1 August 2008 12:23 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change

At this point in time:

h-mon.com is taken
h-mon.net is free

Josh Luthman
Office: XXX-XXX-XXXX
Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX
XXXX Wayne St
Suite XXXX
Troy, OH XXXXX

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--- Henry Spencer


On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 12:18 AM, Tim McCloskey <user-2644b182ab49@xymon.invalid> wrote:


	Though I thought hmon would be simple it appears there is a
company already doing business here in the US called hmon... (hmon dot
net). Oh well, darn lawyers anyway.... 


	Everett, Vernon wrote:
	

		Hobbitmon, it not bad, but I think PHB's might be more
receptive to HMON.
		

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Everett, Vernon 
  To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid 
  Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 6:29 AM
  Subject: RE: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change willhappen


  OK, let's scrap the idea of HMON.
  But I still think we need to give more consideration to a more PHB-acceptable name.

  Regards
       Vernon

From: Lars Ebeling [mailto:user-1fecd3eafd52@xymon.invalid] 
Sent: 01 August 2008 11:44
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change
willhappen

 
Sorry for being an ignorant.

 
PHB ??

 
Lars

How about find a name so obscure in the Silmarillion that even the
lawyers couldn't find it.

Seriously though, how about hobbiton.

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From: Ulric Eriksson [mailto:user-de31148ebe0c@xymon.invalid]
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 12:52 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: RE: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will happen

Change the name or kill the lawyers? Let's do both! :D

Hobbitmon is quite acceptable, I think.

Ulric

 
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To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: RE: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will
happen

On 31 Jul 2008 , Manocchia, Robert entreated about
 "RE: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight na":

How about find a name so obscure in the Silmarillion that even the lawyers couldn't find it.

Seriously though, how about hobbiton.

that is a placename.  'Hobbiton on Hogsback', about 100km from where I
am (you can see the Hogsback mountains on a clear day), I've been there,
and that is where Tolkien grew up, ergo 'Hobbit's in the book


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On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 9:06 AM, Kauffman, Tom <user-3feba9e60a8b@xymon.invalid> wrote:

Ya, mon! Hobbitmon is acceptable. H.O.B.B.I.T. looks like part of a (bad)
'60s spy thriller title ("The man from H.O.B.B.I.T.", with Bono playing the
part of Henrik Stoerner).

This should probably be considered a short-term fix. As others have said,
it may be time to pick up a more "corporate" name. I'm brain-dead right now,
and all I'm coming up with is 'memonsys' (Massively Extendable MONitoring
SYStem).

Tom

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Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 12:52 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: RE: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will
happen

Change the name or kill the lawyers? Let's do both! :D

Hobbitmon is quite acceptable, I think.

Ulric


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Sent: Fri 01-Aug-08 8:40
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Subject: Re: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will happen
 
I would agree with the list so far. Hobbitmon is the best option  given so
far but I have rolled out Hobbit to a number of organizations and they all
have issue with the name, as some even roll out to their client orgs and
don't think it looks good on them (even though they LOVE the product and so
do I). Maybe time for a more corporate name (and possibly to remove the
smiley, frownie faces from the dashboard :) I know I can do this myself,
but......

It is not good when some co-workers send you emails with a picture of Frodo
and a Monitor Lizard morphed together :(

Geoff

'Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded.' --Yogi Berra


On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 9:06 AM, Kauffman, Tom <user-3feba9e60a8b@xymon.invalid> wrote:

Ya, mon! Hobbitmon is acceptable. H.O.B.B.I.T. looks like part of a (bad)
'60s spy thriller title ("The man from H.O.B.B.I.T.", with Bono playing the
part of Henrik Stoerner).

This should probably be considered a short-term fix. As others have said,
it may be time to pick up a more "corporate" name. I'm brain-dead right now,
and all I'm coming up with is 'memonsys' (Massively Extendable MONitoring
SYStem).

Tom

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Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 12:52 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: RE: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will
happen

Change the name or kill the lawyers? Let's do both! :D

Hobbitmon is quite acceptable, I think.

Ulric


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Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 09:45:21 -0400
From: user-ae3e15c22de1@xymon.invalid
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will happen

I think it's worth asking, have those same lawyers yet stumbled upon The Shire?

I agree with the most recent postings about PHBs and the name "Hobbit", but I wonder if the lawyers would accept HOBBIT (as opposed to Hobbit or H.O.B.B.I.T.).  All caps would seem to imply it as an acronym, not needing those ugly periods.

On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Henrik Stoerner <user-ce4a2c883f75@xymon.invalid> wrote:

Hi everyone,

some lawyers behind the movie company that produced the "Lord of the
Rings" trilogy have contacted me about using the name "Hobbit" for the
Hobbit monitor project.

Fortunately, it seems that these people are actually quite sensible.
They just want to make sure that there is no risk of anyone assuming
that the "Hobbit monitor" has anything to do with the books, movies,
merchandise etc. that they produce.

So they've suggested that beginning with the next release, "Hobbit
monitor" is renamed to either "Hobbi monitor" (without the 't'), or
"H.O.B.B.I.T. Monitor" . Or something else, but they want to know
if I pick something else.

The full correspondance can be seen at
http://www.hobbitmon.com/hobbitdocs/legal/

My current preference is to use the "H.O.B.B.I.T." version;
this is most like the current name, and it would also fit
with all of the current URL's used for various Hobbit functions (e.g.
the "hobbitmon.sf.net" project page). I'm going to write the lawyers and
get a definite OK that I can use "hobbitmon" in URL's and such;
I doubt that I can get Sourceforge to accept a project named
"h.o.b.b.i.t." since that would probably cause havoc with the DNS
entries ...

But I'd like to hear if there are other suggestions or opinions.


Regards,
Henrik

Maybe time for a more corporate name (and possibly to remove the smiley, frownie faces from the dashboard :)
I know I can do this myself, but......

Hobbit, iirc, was originally a backronym for Highly Optimized Big Brother <mumble>.

So, we can just reverse the order: Tibboh "<mumble> Big Brother Optimized Highly"

The name looks obscure enough to get passed most PHBs, and we'd all know...

From: Gary Baluha [mailto:user-ae3e15c22de1@xymon.invalid]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 9:45 AM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will happen

I think it's worth asking, have those same lawyers yet stumbled upon The Shire?

I agree with the most recent postings about PHBs and the name "Hobbit", but I wonder if the lawyers would accept HOBBIT (as opposed to Hobbit or H.O.B.B.I.T.).  All caps would seem to imply it as an acronym, not needing those ugly periods.

 
From: Dan Simoes [mailto:user-3428f00c5f40@xymon.invalid] 
Sent: 01 August 2008 15:02
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will
happen

 
How about h0bbit?
(that's a zero, not an O)
Don't think that would work for a domain though.

Otherwise, I vote for hmon (hobbit monitor) or hsmon (Henrik Stoerner's
monitor).
Both are available as .org domains.

Dan

On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Henrik Stoerner <user-ce4a2c883f75@xymon.invalid> wrote:

Hi everyone,

some lawyers behind the movie company that produced the "Lord of the
Rings" trilogy have contacted me about using the name "Hobbit" for the
Hobbit monitor project.

Fortunately, it seems that these people are actually quite sensible.
They just want to make sure that there is no risk of anyone assuming
that the "Hobbit monitor" has anything to do with the books, movies,
merchandise etc. that they produce.

So they've suggested that beginning with the next release, "Hobbit
monitor" is renamed to either "Hobbi monitor" (without the 't'), or
"H.O.B.B.I.T. Monitor" . Or something else, but they want to know
if I pick something else.

The full correspondance can be seen at
http://www.hobbitmon.com/hobbitdocs/legal/

My current preference is to use the "H.O.B.B.I.T." version;
this is most like the current name, and it would also fit
with all of the current URL's used for various Hobbit functions (e.g.
the "hobbitmon.sf.net" project page). I'm going to write the lawyers and
get a definite OK that I can use "hobbitmon" in URL's and such;
I doubt that I can get Sourceforge to accept a project named
"h.o.b.b.i.t." since that would probably cause havoc with the DNS
entries ...

But I'd like to hear if there are other suggestions or opinions.


Regards,
Henrik

From: user-8e841282cda5@xymon.invalid
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 09:01:15 -0500
Subject: RE: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will happen

Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 09:45:21 -0400
From: user-ae3e15c22de1@xymon.invalid
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will happen

I think it's worth asking, have those same lawyers yet stumbled upon The Shire?
I agree with the most recent postings about PHBs and the name "Hobbit", but I wonder if the lawyers would accept HOBBIT (as opposed to Hobbit or H.O.B.B.I.T.).  All caps would seem to imply it as an acronym, not needing those ugly periods.

I really like the name change case of Ethereal.

Ethereal -> WireShark

Now we have "hobbit" need to be changed.

hobbit -> hobbitmon
              hobbitmonitor (how about this one ? longer but no confusion)

I like the hobbitmon the best now but I am concern about the "mon"(mother) part when presenting the software.

 
LOL...Now that's the funniest thing I've read...go one further...

 
T-bbone - Technical Bulletin Board Optimized for Hurting Enterprises...

 
Paul

"McDonald, Dan" <user-290ce4e24e19@xymon.invalid> 8/1/2008 9:57 AM >>>

Hobbit, iirc, was originally a backronym for Highly Optimized Big
Brother <mumble>.

So, we can just reverse the order: Tibboh "<mumble> Big Brother
Optimized Highly"

The name looks obscure enough to get passed most PHBs, and we'd all
know...

PAUL WILLIAMSON wrote:

LOL...Now that's the funniest thing I've read...go one further...
 T-bbone - Technical Bulletin Board Optimized for Hurting Enterprises...
 Paul

"McDonald, Dan" <user-290ce4e24e19@xymon.invalid> 8/1/2008 9:57 AM >>>

Hobbit, iirc, was originally a backronym for Highly Optimized Big Brother <mumble>.

So, we can just reverse the order: Tibboh "<mumble> Big Brother Optimized Highly"

The name looks obscure enough to get passed most PHBs, and we'd all know...

<user-c158527bb596@xymon.invalid>wrote:

 *How about   "Hob-IT" ?*

* *

*The "-IT" implies something to do with computers. The word sounds the
same as the existing name. *

* *

*The only downside is some people might think it has something to do with

* *

*Dave*

* *

* *

* *

*From:* Dan Simoes [mailto:user-3428f00c5f40@xymon.invalid]
*Sent:* 01 August 2008 15:02
*To:* user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
*Subject:* Re: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will
happen


How about h0bbit?

(that's a zero, not an O)
Don't think that would work for a domain though.

Otherwise, I vote for hmon (hobbit monitor) or hsmon (Henrik Stoerner's
monitor).
Both are available as .org domains.

Dan

On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Henrik Stoerner <user-ce4a2c883f75@xymon.invalid> wrote:

Hi everyone,

some lawyers behind the movie company that produced the "Lord of the
Rings" trilogy have contacted me about using the name "Hobbit" for the
Hobbit monitor project.

Fortunately, it seems that these people are actually quite sensible.
They just want to make sure that there is no risk of anyone assuming
that the "Hobbit monitor" has anything to do with the books, movies,
merchandise etc. that they produce.

So they've suggested that beginning with the next release, "Hobbit
monitor" is renamed to either "Hobbi monitor" (without the 't'), or
"H.O.B.B.I.T. Monitor" . Or something else, but they want to know
if I pick something else.

The full correspondance can be seen at
http://www.hobbitmon.com/hobbitdocs/legal/

My current preference is to use the "H.O.B.B.I.T." version;
this is most like the current name, and it would also fit
with all of the current URL's used for various Hobbit functions (e.g.
the "hobbitmon.sf.net" project page). I'm going to write the lawyers and
get a definite OK that I can use "hobbitmon" in URL's and such;
I doubt that I can get Sourceforge to accept a project named
"h.o.b.b.i.t." since that would probably cause havoc with the DNS
entries ...

But I'd like to hear if there are other suggestions or opinions.


Regards,
Henrik


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 "RE: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight na":

I thought he grew up in Bloemfontein?

 
-----Original Message-----
From: DA Forsyth [mailto:user-3e0033602a65@xymon.invalid] Sent: Friday, 1 August 2008 9:06 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: RE: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will
happen

On 31 Jul 2008 , Manocchia, Robert entreated about
 "RE: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight na":

How about find a name so obscure in the Silmarillion that even the > lawyers couldn't find it.

Seriously though, how about hobbiton.

that is a placename.  'Hobbiton on Hogsback', about 100km from where I
am (you can see the Hogsback mountains on a clear day), I've been there,
and that is where Tolkien grew up, ergo 'Hobbit's in the book


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Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 15:31:59 +0100
From: user-c158527bb596@xymon.invalid
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: RE: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will happen


How
about   “Hob-IT” ?

 
The “-IT”
implies something to do with computers. The word sounds the same as the
existing name. 

 
The
only downside is some people might think it has something to do with cooking. J

 
Dave

 
From: Dan Simoes
[mailto:user-3428f00c5f40@xymon.invalid] 

Sent: 01 August 2008 15:02

To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid

Subject: Re: [hobbit]
"Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will happen


How about h0bbit?

(that's a zero, not an O)

Don't think that would work for a domain though.


Otherwise, I vote for hmon (hobbit monitor) or hsmon (Henrik Stoerner's
monitor).

Both are available as .org domains.


Dan


On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Henrik Stoerner <user-ce4a2c883f75@xymon.invalid> wrote:

Hi everyone,


some lawyers behind the movie company that produced the "Lord of the

Rings" trilogy have contacted me about using the name "Hobbit"
for the

Hobbit monitor project.


Fortunately, it seems that these people are actually quite sensible.

They just want to make sure that there is no risk of anyone assuming

that the "Hobbit monitor" has anything to do with the books, movies,

merchandise etc. that they produce.


So they've suggested that beginning with the next release, "Hobbit

monitor" is renamed to either "Hobbi monitor" (without the 't'),
or

"H.O.B.B.I.T. Monitor" . Or something else, but they want to know

if I pick something else.


The full correspondance can be seen at

http://www.hobbitmon.com/hobbitdocs/legal/


My current preference is to use the "H.O.B.B.I.T." version;

this is most like the current name, and it would also fit

with all of the current URL's used for various Hobbit functions (e.g.

the "hobbitmon.sf.net"
project page). I'm going to write the lawyers and

get a definite OK that I can use "hobbitmon" in URL's and such;

I doubt that I can get Sourceforge to accept a project named

"h.o.b.b.i.t." since that would probably cause havoc with the DNS

entries ...


But I'd like to hear if there are other suggestions or opinions.


Regards,

Henrik


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On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Geoff Hallford <user-dc9e7f30b1e2@xymon.invalid>wrote:

Not a big fan of the l33t speak. I don't think it is going to help the
cause much or the satisfy the lawyers.

'Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded.' --Yogi Berra


On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Nash, David (ELS-OXF) <
user-c158527bb596@xymon.invalid> wrote:

 *How about   "Hob-IT" ?*

* *

*The "-IT" implies something to do with computers. The word sounds the
same as the existing name. *

* *

*The only downside is some people might think it has something to do with
cooking. **J***

* *

*Dave*

* *

* *

* *

*From:* Dan Simoes [mailto:user-3428f00c5f40@xymon.invalid]
*Sent:* 01 August 2008 15:02
*To:* user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
*Subject:* Re: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change
will happen


How about h0bbit?

(that's a zero, not an O)
Don't think that would work for a domain though.

Otherwise, I vote for hmon (hobbit monitor) or hsmon (Henrik Stoerner's
monitor).
Both are available as .org domains.

Dan

On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Henrik Stoerner <user-ce4a2c883f75@xymon.invalid> wrote:

Hi everyone,

some lawyers behind the movie company that produced the "Lord of the
Rings" trilogy have contacted me about using the name "Hobbit" for the
Hobbit monitor project.

Fortunately, it seems that these people are actually quite sensible.
They just want to make sure that there is no risk of anyone assuming
that the "Hobbit monitor" has anything to do with the books, movies,
merchandise etc. that they produce.

So they've suggested that beginning with the next release, "Hobbit
monitor" is renamed to either "Hobbi monitor" (without the 't'), or
"H.O.B.B.I.T. Monitor" . Or something else, but they want to know
if I pick something else.

The full correspondance can be seen at
http://www.hobbitmon.com/hobbitdocs/legal/

My current preference is to use the "H.O.B.B.I.T." version;
this is most like the current name, and it would also fit
with all of the current URL's used for various Hobbit functions (e.g.
the "hobbitmon.sf.net" project page). I'm going to write the lawyers and
get a definite OK that I can use "hobbitmon" in URL's and such;
I doubt that I can get Sourceforge to accept a project named
"h.o.b.b.i.t." since that would probably cause havoc with the DNS
entries ...

But I'd like to hear if there are other suggestions or opinions.


Regards,
Henrik


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Is hobbitmon.com owned by community member here ?
Just right after proposing "hobbitmonitor" naming, I grabbed the

"hobbitmonitor.com".

This name will be donated to the hobbit community if we(Henrik) decide
to use HobbitMonitor over hobbitmon.

 
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On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 10:38 AM, T.J. Yang <user-8e841282cda5@xymon.invalid> wrote:

T.J. Yang

From: user-8e841282cda5@xymon.invalid
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 09:01:15 -0500
Subject: RE: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will
happen

Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 09:45:21 -0400
From: user-ae3e15c22de1@xymon.invalid
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change
will happen

I think it's worth asking, have those same lawyers yet stumbled upon

The Shire?

I agree with the most recent postings about PHBs and the name "Hobbit",
but I wonder if the lawyers would accept HOBBIT (as opposed to Hobbit or

H.O.B.B.I.T.). All caps would seem to imply it as an acronym, not needing
those ugly periods.

I really like the name change case of Ethereal.

Ethereal -> WireShark

Now we have "hobbit" need to be changed.

hobbit -> hobbitmon
hobbitmonitor (how about this one ? longer but no confusion)

I like the hobbitmon the best now but I am concern about the

"mon"(mother) part when presenting the software.

Is hobbitmon.com owned by community member here ?
Just right after proposing "hobbitmonitor" naming, I grabbed the "
hobbitmonitor.com".
This name will be donated to the hobbit community if we(Henrik) decide to
use HobbitMonitor over hobbitmon.


tj

On Friday 01 August 2008 10:09:24 T.J. Yang wrote:

Maybe time for a more corporate name (and possibly to remove the smiley,
frownie faces from the dashboard :) I know I can do this myself,
but......

I once proposed we hire professional icon designer to design a set of
hobbit alert icons. But this require hobbit fund which doesn't exist yet.

tj

<user-9da1a1882f49@xymon.invalid> wrote:

Hi all

If I could add my 0.02 worth of local currency, how about a complete break
from Hobbit and/or fantasy creatures.

As a consultant, Hobbit is one of the products I always try and push with
clients.
I do the install, provide support and write additional monitoring scripts
where they are required.

However, one issue I have encountered, is the difficulty I have in getting
CIOs and other senior members of management to take a product called Hobbit
seriously.
"What's in a name?" you say, and I agree with you, but we are talking PHBs

here.
For some reason, Patrol, Nagios, MSM, Zenoss, and all the other names appear
to "inspire confidence".
Hobbit? Some people just refuse to take it seriously.
Maybe they associate Hobbits with childrens fantasy, I don't know, but I
have had push-back from at least 2 major clients based purely on the name.
I am talking about 2 corporate clients that had no monitoring, and wanted to
look at monitoring products, but refused to look at Hobbit because of the
name.

It wasn't an aversion to open source, because Nagios was on the table, but
suggest Hobbit, and PHBs snigger, and ask if it's a fantasy product, or has
hairy feet, or also comes up short, or some equally silly comment.

I know this is completely unjustified, because I know Hobbit is a superior
product, but when dealing with corporates, if the PHBs don't like it, you
can forget it.

I have no name suggestions at this time, but I will give it some thought.
Hobbitmon, it not bad, but I think PHB's might be more receptive to HMON.

Cheers
      Vernon

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On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 10:38 AM, T.J. Yang <user-8e841282cda5@xymon.invalid> wrote:

T.J. Yang

From: user-8e841282cda5@xymon.invalid
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 09:01:15 -0500
Subject: RE: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will
happen

Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 09:45:21 -0400
From: user-ae3e15c22de1@xymon.invalid
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change
will happen

I think it's worth asking, have those same lawyers yet stumbled upon
The Shire?

I agree with the most recent postings about PHBs and the name
"Hobbit", but I wonder if the lawyers would accept HOBBIT (as opposed to
Hobbit or H.O.B.B.I.T.). All caps would seem to imply it as an acronym, not
needing those ugly periods.

I really like the name change case of Ethereal.

Ethereal -> WireShark

Now we have "hobbit" need to be changed.

hobbit -> hobbitmon
hobbitmonitor (how about this one ? longer but no confusion)

I like the hobbitmon the best now but I am concern about the
"mon"(mother) part when presenting the software.

Is hobbitmon.com owned by community member here ?
Just right after proposing "hobbitmonitor" naming, I grabbed the
"hobbitmonitor.com".
This name will be donated to the hobbit community if we(Henrik) decide to
use HobbitMonitor over hobbitmon.


tj


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<user-ce96540ed38f@xymon.invalid>wrote:

On Friday 01 August 2008 10:09:24 T.J. Yang wrote:

Maybe time for a more corporate name (and possibly to remove the smiley,
frownie faces from the dashboard :) I know I can do this myself,
but......

I once proposed we hire professional icon designer to design a set of
hobbit alert icons. But this require hobbit fund which doesn't exist yet.

tj

There is an icon set alternative I created a while back ago, I believe they
are up on The Shire. The -recent icons 'pulse' to catch the eye. Not sure
if
they will be what you are looking for tho.

 
From: Tim Grzechowski [mailto:user-ad307ef791f0@xymon.invalid] 
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 4:57 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: [hobbit] Alerts Help

 
I just cannot figure how to set up alerts.  

 
Maybe I can save you lots of reading. All I am trying to do at this time I
am just looking to set up basic paging to an email (list) address. 

 
I will want to break it down to subpages for fabric servers, DB servers, web
servers and weblogic server.

 
But. here is what I am working with now.  For now I have, or so I thought,
narrowed it down to the most basic of configuration and still cannot get it
to work.

 
hobbit-alerts.cfg (added to the bottom of the file).

 
HOST=*

        MAIL root at localhost     SERVICE=conn    color=yellow

        MAIL root at localhost     SERVICE=cONN    color=red

        MAIL root at localhost     SERVICE=conn    color=purple

 
When I run bbcmd with just --test I get the following:

 
[root at tstfabric121 etc]# ../bin/bbcmd hobbitd_alert --test
tstfabric121.ce.fedex.com procs

2008-07-31 16:48:03 Using default environment file
/usr/lib/hobbit/server/etc/hobbitserver.cfg

00024059 2008-07-31 16:48:03 send_alert tstfabric121.ce.fedex.com:procs
state Paging

00024059 2008-07-31 16:48:03 Matching host:service:page
'tstfabric121.ce.fedex.com:procs:' against rule line 125

00024059 2008-07-31 16:48:03 *** Match with 'HOST=*' ***

00024059 2008-07-31 16:48:03 Matching host:service:page
'tstfabric121.ce.fedex.com:procs:' against rule line 126

00024059 2008-07-31 16:48:03 Failed 'MAIL root at localhost        SERVICE=conn
color=yellow' (service not in include list)

00024059 2008-07-31 16:48:03 Matching host:service:page
'tstfabric121.ce.fedex.com:procs:' against rule line 127

00024059 2008-07-31 16:48:03 Failed 'MAIL root at localhost        SERVICE=cONN
color=red' (service not in include list)

00024059 2008-07-31 16:48:03 Matching host:service:page
'tstfabric121.ce.fedex.com:procs:' against rule line 128

00024059 2008-07-31 16:48:03 Failed 'MAIL root at localhost        SERVICE=conn
color=purple' (service not in include list)

 
With --debug too I get this:

 
[root at tstfabric121 etc]# ../bin/bbcmd hobbitd_alert --test --debug
tstfabric121.ce.fedex.com procs

2008-07-31 16:48:43 Using default environment file
/usr/lib/hobbit/server/etc/hobbitserver.cfg

2008-07-31 16:48:43 Host not found in bb-hosts - assuming it is on the top
page

00024284 2008-07-31 16:48:43 send_alert --debug:tstfabric121.ce.fedex.com
state Paging

00024284 2008-07-31 16:48:43 Matching host:service:page
'--debug:tstfabric121.ce.fedex.com:' against rule line 125

00024284 2008-07-31 16:48:43 *** Match with 'HOST=*' ***

00024284 2008-07-31 16:48:43 Matching host:service:page
'--debug:tstfabric121.ce.fedex.com:' against rule line 126

00024284 2008-07-31 16:48:43 Failed 'MAIL root at localhost        SERVICE=conn
color=yellow' (service not in include list)

00024284 2008-07-31 16:48:43 Matching host:service:page
'--debug:tstfabric121.ce.fedex.com:' against rule line 127

00024284 2008-07-31 16:48:43 Failed 'MAIL root at localhost        SERVICE=cONN
color=red' (service not in include list)

00024284 2008-07-31 16:48:43 Matching host:service:page
'--debug:tstfabric121.ce.fedex.com:' against rule line 128

00024284 2008-07-31 16:48:43 Failed 'MAIL root at localhost        SERVICE=conn
color=purple' (service not in include list)

 
Now the host, tstfabric121.ce.fedex.com, is in the bb-host file.  And, in
fact, is the hobbit server.

 
Also, so long as I am burning bandwidth, I am not understanding how the
page/subpage work into this?  I do have subpage's set up in my bb-hosts
file.

 
Thanks.

Josh Luthman
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user-ad307ef791f0@xymon.invalid> wrote:

 With this hobbit naming issue coming up it looks like I asked a question
at the wrong time.  ;)


This may be much easier… could somebody cut'n'paste part of their
hobbit-alerts.cfg here that uses email for alerts.  If you have some with
subpages that would be most excellent.


Thanks and everyone have a great weekend!

/tg


*From:* Tim Grzechowski [mailto:user-ad307ef791f0@xymon.invalid]
*Sent:* Thursday, July 31, 2008 4:57 PM
*To:* user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
*Subject:* [hobbit] Alerts Help


I just cannot figure how to set up alerts.


Maybe I can save you lots of reading… All I am trying to do at this time I
am just looking to set up basic paging to an email (list) address.


I will want to break it down to subpages for fabric servers, DB servers,
web servers and weblogic server.


But… here is what I am working with now.  For now I have, or so I thought,
narrowed it down to the most basic of configuration and still cannot get it
to work.


hobbit-alerts.cfg (added to the bottom of the file).


HOST=*

        MAIL root at localhost     SERVICE=conn    color=yellow

        MAIL root at localhost     SERVICE=cONN    color=red

        MAIL root at localhost     SERVICE=conn    color=purple


When I run bbcmd with just --test I get the following:


[root at tstfabric121 etc]# ../bin/bbcmd hobbitd_alert --test
tstfabric121.ce.fedex.com procs

2008-07-31 16:48:03 Using default environment file
/usr/lib/hobbit/server/etc/hobbitserver.cfg

00024059 2008-07-31 16:48:03 send_alert tstfabric121.ce.fedex.com:procs
state Paging

00024059 2008-07-31 16:48:03 Matching host:service:page
'tstfabric121.ce.fedex.com:procs:' against rule line 125

00024059 2008-07-31 16:48:03 *** Match with 'HOST=*' ***

00024059 2008-07-31 16:48:03 Matching host:service:page
'tstfabric121.ce.fedex.com:procs:' against rule line 126

00024059 2008-07-31 16:48:03 Failed 'MAIL root at localhost
SERVICE=conn    color=yellow' (service not in include list)

00024059 2008-07-31 16:48:03 Matching host:service:page
'tstfabric121.ce.fedex.com:procs:' against rule line 127

00024059 2008-07-31 16:48:03 Failed 'MAIL root at localhost
SERVICE=cONN    color=red' (service not in include list)

00024059 2008-07-31 16:48:03 Matching host:service:page
'tstfabric121.ce.fedex.com:procs:' against rule line 128

00024059 2008-07-31 16:48:03 Failed 'MAIL root at localhost
SERVICE=conn    color=purple' (service not in include list)


With --debug too I get this:


[root at tstfabric121 etc]# ../bin/bbcmd hobbitd_alert --test --debug
tstfabric121.ce.fedex.com procs

2008-07-31 16:48:43 Using default environment file
/usr/lib/hobbit/server/etc/hobbitserver.cfg

2008-07-31 16:48:43 Host not found in bb-hosts - assuming it is on the top
page

00024284 2008-07-31 16:48:43 Failed 'MAIL root at localhost
SERVICE=conn    color=yellow' (service not in include list)

00024284 2008-07-31 16:48:43 Failed 'MAIL root at localhost
SERVICE=cONN    color=red' (service not in include list)

00024284 2008-07-31 16:48:43 Failed 'MAIL root at localhost
SERVICE=conn    color=purple' (service not in include list)


Now the host, tstfabric121.ce.fedex.com, is in the bb-host file.  And, in
fact, is the hobbit server.


Also, so long as I am burning bandwidth, I am not understanding how the
page/subpage work into this?  I do have subpage's set up in my bb-hosts
file.


Thanks.

 
From: Tim Grzechowski [mailto:user-ad307ef791f0@xymon.invalid] 
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 2:50 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: RE: [hobbit] Alerts Help

 
With this hobbit naming issue coming up it looks like I asked a question
at the wrong time.  ;)

 
This may be much easier... could somebody cut'n'paste part of their
hobbit-alerts.cfg here that uses email for alerts.  If you have some
with subpages that would be most excellent.

 
Thanks and everyone have a great weekend!

/tg

 
From: Tim Grzechowski [mailto:user-ad307ef791f0@xymon.invalid] 
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 4:57 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: [hobbit] Alerts Help

 
I just cannot figure how to set up alerts.  

 
Maybe I can save you lots of reading... All I am trying to do at this
time I am just looking to set up basic paging to an email (list)
address. 

 
I will want to break it down to subpages for fabric servers, DB servers,
web servers and weblogic server.

 
But... here is what I am working with now.  For now I have, or so I
thought, narrowed it down to the most basic of configuration and still
cannot get it to work.

 
hobbit-alerts.cfg (added to the bottom of the file).

 
HOST=*

        MAIL root at localhost     SERVICE=conn    color=yellow

        MAIL root at localhost     SERVICE=cONN    color=red

        MAIL root at localhost     SERVICE=conn    color=purple

 
When I run bbcmd with just --test I get the following:

 
[root at tstfabric121 etc]# ../bin/bbcmd hobbitd_alert --test
tstfabric121.ce.fedex.com procs

2008-07-31 16:48:03 Using default environment file
/usr/lib/hobbit/server/etc/hobbitserver.cfg

00024059 2008-07-31 16:48:03 send_alert tstfabric121.ce.fedex.com:procs
state Paging

00024059 2008-07-31 16:48:03 Matching host:service:page
'tstfabric121.ce.fedex.com:procs:' against rule line 125

00024059 2008-07-31 16:48:03 *** Match with 'HOST=*' ***

00024059 2008-07-31 16:48:03 Matching host:service:page
'tstfabric121.ce.fedex.com:procs:' against rule line 126

00024059 2008-07-31 16:48:03 Failed 'MAIL root at localhost
SERVICE=conn    color=yellow' (service not in include list)

00024059 2008-07-31 16:48:03 Matching host:service:page
'tstfabric121.ce.fedex.com:procs:' against rule line 127

00024059 2008-07-31 16:48:03 Failed 'MAIL root at localhost
SERVICE=cONN    color=red' (service not in include list)

00024059 2008-07-31 16:48:03 Matching host:service:page
'tstfabric121.ce.fedex.com:procs:' against rule line 128

00024059 2008-07-31 16:48:03 Failed 'MAIL root at localhost
SERVICE=conn    color=purple' (service not in include list)

 
With --debug too I get this:

 
[root at tstfabric121 etc]# ../bin/bbcmd hobbitd_alert --test --debug
tstfabric121.ce.fedex.com procs

2008-07-31 16:48:43 Using default environment file
/usr/lib/hobbit/server/etc/hobbitserver.cfg

2008-07-31 16:48:43 Host not found in bb-hosts - assuming it is on the
top page

00024284 2008-07-31 16:48:43 send_alert
--debug:tstfabric121.ce.fedex.com state Paging

00024284 2008-07-31 16:48:43 Matching host:service:page
'--debug:tstfabric121.ce.fedex.com:' against rule line 125

00024284 2008-07-31 16:48:43 *** Match with 'HOST=*' ***

00024284 2008-07-31 16:48:43 Matching host:service:page
'--debug:tstfabric121.ce.fedex.com:' against rule line 126

00024284 2008-07-31 16:48:43 Failed 'MAIL root at localhost
SERVICE=conn    color=yellow' (service not in include list)

00024284 2008-07-31 16:48:43 Matching host:service:page
'--debug:tstfabric121.ce.fedex.com:' against rule line 127

00024284 2008-07-31 16:48:43 Failed 'MAIL root at localhost
SERVICE=cONN    color=red' (service not in include list)

00024284 2008-07-31 16:48:43 Matching host:service:page
'--debug:tstfabric121.ce.fedex.com:' against rule line 128

00024284 2008-07-31 16:48:43 Failed 'MAIL root at localhost
SERVICE=conn    color=purple' (service not in include list)

 
Now the host, tstfabric121.ce.fedex.com, is in the bb-host file.  And,
in fact, is the hobbit server.

 
Also, so long as I am burning bandwidth, I am not understanding how the
page/subpage work into this?  I do have subpage's set up in my bb-hosts
file.

 
Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: Henrik Stoerner [mailto:user-ce4a2c883f75@xymon.invalid]
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 12:30 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will happen


Hi everyone,

some lawyers behind the movie company that produced the "Lord of the
Rings" trilogy have contacted me about using the name "Hobbit" for the
Hobbit monitor project.

Fortunately, it seems that these people are actually quite sensible.
They just want to make sure that there is no risk of anyone assuming
that the "Hobbit monitor" has anything to do with the books, movies,
merchandise etc. that they produce.

So they've suggested that beginning with the next release, "Hobbit
monitor" is renamed to either "Hobbi monitor" (without the 't'), or
"H.O.B.B.I.T. Monitor" . Or something else, but they want to know
if I pick something else.

The full correspondance can be seen at
http://www.hobbitmon.com/hobbitdocs/legal/

My current preference is to use the "H.O.B.B.I.T." version;
this is most like the current name, and it would also fit
with all of the current URL's used for various Hobbit functions (e.g.
the "hobbitmon.sf.net" project page). I'm going to write the lawyers and
get a definite OK that I can use "hobbitmon" in URL's and such;
I doubt that I can get Sourceforge to accept a project named
"h.o.b.b.i.t." since that would probably cause havoc with the DNS
entries ...

But I'd like to hear if there are other suggestions or opinions.


Regards,
Henrik


********************************************************************

On fös  1.ágú 2008 21:16, Tim Grzechowski wrote:

I added the following to hobbit-alerts.cfg:

 
     HOST=*

          MAIL root at localhost COLOR=yellow,purple,red

 
But when I run the bbcmd test the last line is what is throwing me off.

 
     [root at tstfabric121 etc]# ../bin/bbcmd hobbitd_alert --test
tstfabric121.ce.fedex.com conn

     2008-08-01 16:11:12 Using default environment file
/usr/lib/hobbit/server/etc/hobbitserver.cfg

     00024148 2008-08-01 16:11:12 send_alert
tstfabric121.ce.fedex.com:conn state Paging

     00024148 2008-08-01 16:11:12 Matching host:service:page
'tstfabric121.ce.fedex.com:conn:' against rule line 125

     00024148 2008-08-01 16:11:12 *** Match with 'HOST=*' ***

     00024148 2008-08-01 16:11:12 Matching host:service:page
'tstfabric121.ce.fedex.com:conn:' against rule line 126

     00024148 2008-08-01 16:11:12 *** Match with 'MAIL root at localhost
COLOR=yellow,purple,red' ***

     *00024148 2008-08-01 16:11:12 Mail alert with command 'mail -s
"Hobbit [12345] tstfabric121.ce.fedex.com:conn CRITICAL (RED)"
root at localhost'*

      [root at tstfabric121 etc]#

 
That line is throwing me off.  The fact that it says “CRITCAL (RED)”. As that host is all green that line would lead me to believe that the
test is not working as expected and is going to email a CRITCAL (RED)
email.  Correct?

 
/tg

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On 8/1/08, Omar Hermannsson <user-f02397248294@xymon.invalid> wrote:

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hobbitd_alert --test is for simulating various different conditions. It
doesn't reflect the current status of the tests.
You can pass extra parameters to specify the color, duration, group and
time.


*** from the manpage ***
- ---------------------------------------------------------------
- --test HOST SERVICE [options]
    Shows which alert rules matches the given HOST/SERVICE combination.
Useful to debug configuration problems, and see what rules are used for an
alert.

    The possible options are:
    --color=COLORNAME The COLORNAME parameter is the color of the alert:
red, yellow or purple.
    --duration=SECONDS The SECONDS parameter is the duration of the alert in
seconds.
    --group=GROUPNAME The GROUPNAME paramater is a groupid string from the
hobbit-clients.cfg file.
    --time=TIMESTRING The TIMESTRING parameter is the time-of-day for the
alert, expressed as an absolute time in the epoch format (seconds since Jan
1 1970). This is easily obtained with the GNU date utility using the "+%s"
output format.
- -----------------------------------------------------------------

Also instead of HOST=* you can use PAGE=pagename if you've seperated your
hosts into subpages in bbhosts.

  PAGE=Production COLOR=red EXSERVICE=%(cpu|memory|msgs) DURATION>6
    MAIL root at localhost


Cheers,
Omar


On fös  1.ágú 2008 21:16, Tim Grzechowski wrote:

I added the following to hobbit-alerts.cfg:


     HOST=*

          MAIL root at localhost COLOR=yellow,purple,red


But when I run the bbcmd test the last line is what is throwing me off.


     [root at tstfabric121 etc]# ../bin/bbcmd hobbitd_alert --test
tstfabric121.ce.fedex.com conn

     2008-08-01 16:11:12 Using default environment file
/usr/lib/hobbit/server/etc/hobbitserver.cfg

     00024148 2008-08-01 16:11:12 send_alert
tstfabric121.ce.fedex.com:conn state Paging

     00024148 2008-08-01 16:11:12 Matching host:service:page
'tstfabric121.ce.fedex.com:conn:' against rule line 125

     00024148 2008-08-01 16:11:12 *** Match with 'HOST=*' ***

     00024148 2008-08-01 16:11:12 Matching host:service:page
'tstfabric121.ce.fedex.com:conn:' against rule line 126

     00024148 2008-08-01 16:11:12 *** Match with 'MAIL root at localhost
COLOR=yellow,purple,red' ***

     *00024148 2008-08-01 16:11:12 Mail alert with command 'mail -s
"Hobbit [12345] tstfabric121.ce.fedex.com:conn CRITICAL (RED)"
root at localhost'*
a few
      [root at tstfabric121 etc]#


That line is throwing me off.  The fact that it says "CRITCAL (RED)".
As that host is all green that line would lead me to believe that the
test is not working as expected and is going to email a CRITCAL (RED)
email.  Correct?


/tg

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To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name changewill
happen

I was sat here thinking surely they didn't invent the word hobbit. I know
what a hobbit is from my days of role playing (sorry I had to admit it) but
- Nuts!

Just read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobbit_%28word%29 and you will
discover they do actually hold a trademark on the name. So there is
definitely no going back now.

I do agree with a few of the other comments and that of my colleague,
Francois, that maybe we should consider a more professionally acceptable
name that would assist in its 'saleability' to those in power.

I did like hobbit and accept hobbitmon as an alternative but only because
it is easy.

Maybe something completely different is in order - lets look at some
thesaurus words:

Monitor
Synonyms:  adviser, check, control, counsellor, device, guard, mentor,
observe, police, reminder, survey, track, warship, watch

Watch
Synonyms:   Argus-eyed, alert, aware, on the qui vive, surveillant,
vigilant, watchful, wide-awake

Surveillance
Synonyms:   espial, lookout, observation, spying, stakeout, track, vigil,
watch

I was also looking for the word open in the thesaurus and eventually got
linked to the word honest. Then I though what about honestmonitor - bit
cheesy but could fit the bill and the .com and .net are available.
and then...
openguardian (.com & .net available)
openguard (.net available - .com gone)

I will stop now

Darren

-----Original Message-----
From: Henrik Stoerner [mailto:user-ce4a2c883f75@xymon.invalid]
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 12:30 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will
happen


Hi everyone,

some lawyers behind the movie company that produced the "Lord of the
Rings" trilogy have contacted me about using the name "Hobbit" for the
Hobbit monitor project.

Fortunately, it seems that these people are actually quite sensible.
They just want to make sure that there is no risk of anyone assuming
that the "Hobbit monitor" has anything to do with the books, movies,
merchandise etc. that they produce.

So they've suggested that beginning with the next release, "Hobbit
monitor" is renamed to either "Hobbi monitor" (without the 't'), or
"H.O.B.B.I.T. Monitor" . Or something else, but they want to know
if I pick something else.

The full correspondance can be seen at
http://www.hobbitmon.com/hobbitdocs/legal/

My current preference is to use the "H.O.B.B.I.T." version;
this is most like the current name, and it would also fit
with all of the current URL's used for various Hobbit functions (e.g.
the "hobbitmon.sf.net" project page). I'm going to write the lawyers and
get a definite OK that I can use "hobbitmon" in URL's and such;
I doubt that I can get Sourceforge to accept a project named
"h.o.b.b.i.t." since that would probably cause havoc with the DNS
entries ...

But I'd like to hear if there are other suggestions or opinions.


Regards,
Henrik


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I bet when they don't laugh when the name of an OS is called

"windows". But if another OS comes as "Doors" they will 

laugh, I bet. Do you still value their opinion?

Cheers
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Shea, Graeme A wrote:

The corporate culture is such that while everyone I show loves what
Hobbit does not one person will implement it. One of the big problems is
the name and then maybe the icons :-(. Any chance that someone else in
the corporate environment can use it as a source of ridicule no matter
how unjustified will kill it before it gets off the ground. These people
aren't PHB's just been there, done that and don't want to do anything
that will damage their career.

I would suggest something along the lines of "Sulvantent", a made up
word close enough to Surveillance for people to link the two.


B.T.W. I explain that I like all of the systems in my care to be doing
what the business wants them to do and when this happens we get "green
across the board". This is where Hobbit gets its name, Hobbits like
green and will work hard to get it. This helps, but not enough.

Regards
Graeme

-----Original Message-----
From: Henrik Stoerner [mailto:user-ce4a2c883f75@xymon.invalid]
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 12:30 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will
happen


Hi everyone,

some lawyers behind the movie company that produced the "Lord of the
Rings" trilogy have contacted me about using the name "Hobbit" for the
Hobbit monitor project.

Fortunately, it seems that these people are actually quite sensible.
They just want to make sure that there is no risk of anyone assuming
that the "Hobbit monitor" has anything to do with the books, movies,
merchandise etc. that they produce.

So they've suggested that beginning with the next release, "Hobbit
monitor" is renamed to either "Hobbi monitor" (without the 't'), or
"H.O.B.B.I.T. Monitor" . Or something else, but they want to know
if I pick something else.

The full correspondance can be seen at
http://www.hobbitmon.com/hobbitdocs/legal/

My current preference is to use the "H.O.B.B.I.T." version;
this is most like the current name, and it would also fit
with all of the current URL's used for various Hobbit functions (e.g.
the "hobbitmon.sf.net" project page). I'm going to write the lawyers and
get a definite OK that I can use "hobbitmon" in URL's and such;
I doubt that I can get Sourceforge to accept a project named
"h.o.b.b.i.t." since that would probably cause havoc with the DNS
entries ...

But I'd like to hear if there are other suggestions or opinions.


Regards,
Henrik

Cheers
    Vernon

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-----Original Message-----
From: user-ce96540ed38f@xymon.invalid [mailto:user-ce96540ed38f@xymon.invalid] 
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 8:13 AM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will
happen

On Friday 01 August 2008 10:09:24 T.J. Yang wrote:

Maybe time for a more corporate name (and possibly to remove the
smiley,
frownie faces from the dashboard :) I know I can do this myself,
but......

I once proposed we hire professional icon designer to design a set of
hobbit alert icons. But this require hobbit fund which doesn't exist
yet.

tj

There is an icon set alternative I created a while back ago, I believe
they 
are up on The Shire. The -recent icons 'pulse' to catch the eye. Not
sure if 
they will be what you are looking for tho.

Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 09:03:09 +0800
From: user-9da1a1882f49@xymon.invalid
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: RE: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will happen

Hi all

Corporations spend millions of dollars every year, just researching
product and brand names.
The process of coming up with a name is huge business, and can make or
break a product.

Can anybody remember the Chev Nova?
Great name. Nova - star explosion!
Wow! What an impact!
It actually sold well, but when Chev introduced it into Argentina, where
the speak Spanish, they had to rename it.
For the non-Spanish speakers out there, "No va" means "Doesn't go".
(I think it sold under the name "Malibu" or something like that.)

Beside the fact that it was a crap product, who can guess how many
Microsoft Zunes sold in Israel?
The word Zune, in Hebrew, means, erm, how shall I put this.... A vulgar
term for fornicate.
Guess how many of them sold there.

Mitsubish Pajero?
In Spanish, Pajero means, erm.... , man gratifying himself sexually.
That should get major corporate acceptance. :-)
(It was renamed to Montero (mountain hunter) in Spanish speaking
countries)

I am not suggesting we spend millions on branding, we don't have
millions, but we need to consider many aspects of a name.
Some of the things to think about
- Corporate acceptance
- Associated meanings
- Meaning in different languages
- Meaning of minor spelling changes
- Legal and copyright issues
- Domain availability
I am sure there are more issues, but it's early on a Saturday morning,
and I haven't had my coffee yet.

Cheers
Vernon

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On Friday 01 August 2008 17:54:33 Tim Grzechowski wrote:

Going with Darren's theme, and as hswn.DK is a top level domain for
Denmark. I will have to assume Henrik Stoerner is Danish, or at least in
Denmark.

   watchful ....... vågent (org open)
   guardian ....... vogter (com/net/org open)
   openguardian ... åben (abenvogter com/net/org all open)
   aware .......... bevidst (com/org open)

Not sure how well google translator is, hell I have a hard enough time with
Engrish,  ;)  ....but that is what it spit out.

I like the first one.  But don't know how the word sounds in Danish.  Plus
he can spin it as "V Agent" for us those that hack the Kings language.
Victory Agent, Verbose Agent, Vicious Agent... whatever.  Or don't even
explain it.

I agree that it would be easier to push a more "corporate friendly" name
though.


Not that I have anything against hobbits, or short people in general.  I
hardly notice them in fact.

/tg

Cheers
    Vernon


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Can anybody remember the Chev Nova?
Great name. Nova - star explosion!
Wow! What an impact!
It actually sold well, but when Chev introduced it into Argentina, where
the speak Spanish, they had to rename it.
For the non-Spanish speakers out there, "No va" means "Doesn't go".
(I think it sold under the name "Malibu" or something like that.)

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Flemming [mailto:user-f286aaa49a76@xymon.invalid] 
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 12:56 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: RE: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will
happen


Hmm, it's something already there

http://www.fastpath.it/products/palantir/

martin


On Thu, 31 Jul 2008, Galen Johnson wrote:

I like it...it's exactly what the Palantir were for...

=G=

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Eggleston [mailto:user-4ff7b7cae5b8@xymon.invalid]
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 1:34 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change 
will happen

On Thu, 31 Jul 2008, Kern, Thomas might have said:

How about Palantir ?

No, 'precious'!

Mike

owner:        Henrik Stoerner
email:        user-ce4a2c883f75@xymon.invalid
address:      Raunstrupvej 13
city:         Vanloese
postal-code:  2720
country:      DK

Just right after proposing "hobbitmonitor" naming I grabbed the "hobbitmonitor.com".
This name will be donated to the hobbit community if we(Henrik) decide to use HobbitMonitor over hobbitmon.

On Friday 01 August 2008 17:57:54 Phil Wild wrote:

How about avviso (alert in Italian)?

I like this one. My only gripe about the hobbit name is that it makes googling
damn hard.

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From: Henrik Stoerner [mailto:user-ce4a2c883f75@xymon.invalid] 
Sent: 31 July 2008 17:30
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will
happen


Hi everyone,

some lawyers behind the movie company that produced the "Lord of the
Rings" trilogy have contacted me about using the name "Hobbit" for the
Hobbit monitor project.

Fortunately, it seems that these people are actually quite sensible.
They just want to make sure that there is no risk of anyone assuming
that the "Hobbit monitor" has anything to do with the books, movies,
merchandise etc. that they produce.

So they've suggested that beginning with the next release, "Hobbit
monitor" is renamed to either "Hobbi monitor" (without the 't'), or
"H.O.B.B.I.T. Monitor" . Or something else, but they want to know if I
pick something else.

The full correspondance can be seen at
http://www.hobbitmon.com/hobbitdocs/legal/

My current preference is to use the "H.O.B.B.I.T." version; this is most
like the current name, and it would also fit with all of the current
URL's used for various Hobbit functions (e.g. the "hobbitmon.sf.net"
project page). I'm going to write the lawyers and get a definite OK that
I can use "hobbitmon" in URL's and such; I doubt that I can get
Sourceforge to accept a project named "h.o.b.b.i.t." since that would
probably cause havoc with the DNS entries ...

But I'd like to hear if there are other suggestions or opinions.


Regards,
Henrik


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-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Wild [mailto:user-e365c1418192@xymon.invalid] Sent: 01 August 2008 16:58
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will
happen


How about avviso (alert in Italian)?


2008/8/1 Geoff Hallford <user-dc9e7f30b1e2@xymon.invalid>:

Hobbitmon.com is owned by Henrik:

Whois domain:       hobbitmon.com
owner:        Henrik Stoerner
email:
address:      Raunstrupvej 13
city:         Vanloese
postal-code:  2720
country:      DK
phone:        +XX.XXXXXXXX
admin-c:      CCOM-51990
tech-c:       CCOM-51990
billing-c:    CCOM-51990
reseller:     Aendre whois informationer paa domaenet
reseller:     Change whois information on this domain
reseller:     http://whois.gratisdns.dk
nserver:      ns1.gratisdns.dk
nserver:      ns2.gratisdns.dk
nserver:      ns3.gratisdns.dk
nserver:      ns4.gratisdns.dk
nserver:      ns5.gratisdns.dk
status:       lock
created:      2006-08-28 14:04:55 UTC
modified:     2008-03-31 07:41:46 UTC
expires:      2009-08-28 14:04:56 UTC

contact-hdl:  CCOM-51990
person:       - -
organization: Larsen Data v/Peter Larsen
email:
address:      Snaregade 12, 2 tv
city:         Koebenhavn K
postal-code:  1205
country:      DK
phone:        +XX.XXXXXXXX

'Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded.' --Yogi Berra


On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 10:38 AM, T.J. Yang <user-8e841282cda5@xymon.invalid> wrote:

T.J. Yang

From: user-8e841282cda5@xymon.invalid
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 09:01:15 -0500
Subject: RE: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change

will happen

Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 09:45:21 -0400
From: user-ae3e15c22de1@xymon.invalid
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name > > change will happen

I think it's worth asking, have those same lawyers yet stumbled > > upon The Shire?

I agree with the most recent postings about PHBs and the name > > "Hobbit", but I wonder if the lawyers would accept HOBBIT (as > > opposed to Hobbit or H.O.B.B.I.T.). All caps would seem to imply > > it as an acronym, not needing those ugly periods.

I really like the name change case of Ethereal.

Ethereal -> WireShark

Now we have "hobbit" need to be changed.

hobbit -> hobbitmon
hobbitmonitor (how about this one ? longer but no confusion)

I like the hobbitmon the best now but I am concern about the
"mon"(mother) part when presenting the software.

Is hobbitmon.com owned by community member here ?
Just right after proposing "hobbitmonitor" naming, I grabbed the "hobbitmonitor.com". This name will be donated to the hobbit community if we(Henrik) decide to use HobbitMonitor over hobbitmon.


tj


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All the useful (org, com, net, info ) avviso domains are taken which is
a shame. If we were going to change completely I would have liked this
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From: Phil Wild [mailto:user-e365c1418192@xymon.invalid]
Sent: 01 August 2008 16:58
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will
happen


How about avviso (alert in Italian)?


2008/8/1 Geoff Hallford <user-dc9e7f30b1e2@xymon.invalid>:

Hobbitmon.com is owned by Henrik:

Whois domain:       hobbitmon.com
owner:        Henrik Stoerner
email:
address:      Raunstrupvej 13
city:         Vanloese
postal-code:  2720
country:      DK
phone:        +XX.XXXXXXXX
admin-c:      CCOM-51990
tech-c:       CCOM-51990
billing-c:    CCOM-51990
reseller:     Aendre whois informationer paa domaenet
reseller:     Change whois information on this domain
reseller:     http://whois.gratisdns.dk
nserver:      ns1.gratisdns.dk
nserver:      ns2.gratisdns.dk
nserver:      ns3.gratisdns.dk
nserver:      ns4.gratisdns.dk
nserver:      ns5.gratisdns.dk
status:       lock
created:      2006-08-28 14:04:55 UTC
modified:     2008-03-31 07:41:46 UTC
expires:      2009-08-28 14:04:56 UTC

contact-hdl:  CCOM-51990
person:       - -
organization: Larsen Data v/Peter Larsen
email:
address:      Snaregade 12, 2 tv
city:         Koebenhavn K
postal-code:  1205
country:      DK
phone:        +XX.XXXXXXXX

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On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 10:38 AM, T.J. Yang <user-8e841282cda5@xymon.invalid>
wrote:

T.J. Yang

From: user-8e841282cda5@xymon.invalid
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 09:01:15 -0500
Subject: RE: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change

will happen

Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 09:45:21 -0400
From: user-ae3e15c22de1@xymon.invalid
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name
change will happen

I think it's worth asking, have those same lawyers yet stumbled
upon The Shire?

I agree with the most recent postings about PHBs and the name
"Hobbit", but I wonder if the lawyers would accept HOBBIT (as
opposed to Hobbit or H.O.B.B.I.T.). All caps would seem to imply
it as an acronym, not needing those ugly periods.

I really like the name change case of Ethereal.

Ethereal -> WireShark

Now we have "hobbit" need to be changed.

hobbit -> hobbitmon
hobbitmonitor (how about this one ? longer but no confusion)

I like the hobbitmon the best now but I am concern about the
"mon"(mother) part when presenting the software.

Is hobbitmon.com owned by community member here ?
Just right after proposing "hobbitmonitor" naming, I grabbed the
"hobbitmonitor.com". This name will be donated to the hobbit
community if we(Henrik) decide to use HobbitMonitor over hobbitmon.


tj


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In <user-9ee9e71cd98a@xymon.invalid> "Phil Wild" <user-e365c1418192@xymon.invalid> writes:

Perhaps we need a poll? Well actually, this is Henrik's baby and I
guess he has not even asked for suggestions...

Shea, Graeme A wrote:

The corporate culture is such that while everyone I show loves what
Hobbit does not one person will implement it. One of the big problems is
the name and then maybe the icons :-(. Any chance that someone else in
the corporate environment can use it as a source of ridicule no matter
how unjustified will kill it before it gets off the ground. These people
aren't PHB's just been there, done that and don't want to do anything
that will damage their career.

I would suggest something along the lines of "Sulvantent", a made up
word close enough to Surveillance for people to link the two.


B.T.W. I explain that I like all of the systems in my care to be doing
what the business wants them to do and when this happens we get "green
across the board". This is where Hobbit gets its name, Hobbits like
green and will work hard to get it. This helps, but not enough.

Regards
Graeme

-----Original Message-----
From: Henrik Stoerner [mailto:user-ce4a2c883f75@xymon.invalid]
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 12:30 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will
happen


Hi everyone,

some lawyers behind the movie company that produced the "Lord of the
Rings" trilogy have contacted me about using the name "Hobbit" for the
Hobbit monitor project.

Fortunately, it seems that these people are actually quite sensible.
They just want to make sure that there is no risk of anyone assuming
that the "Hobbit monitor" has anything to do with the books, movies,
merchandise etc. that they produce.

So they've suggested that beginning with the next release, "Hobbit
monitor" is renamed to either "Hobbi monitor" (without the 't'), or
"H.O.B.B.I.T. Monitor" . Or something else, but they want to know
if I pick something else.

The full correspondance can be seen at
http://www.hobbitmon.com/hobbitdocs/legal/

My current preference is to use the "H.O.B.B.I.T." version;
this is most like the current name, and it would also fit
with all of the current URL's used for various Hobbit functions (e.g.
the "hobbitmon.sf.net" project page). I'm going to write the lawyers and
get a definite OK that I can use "hobbitmon" in URL's and such;
I doubt that I can get Sourceforge to accept a project named
"h.o.b.b.i.t." since that would probably cause havoc with the DNS
entries ...

But I'd like to hear if there are other suggestions or opinions.


Regards,
Henrik


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On Mon, August 4, 2008 05:32, Henrik Stoerner wrote:

I'd like suggestions for the name - it is a good topic for brainstorming.
 But You're right that in the end it is my decision what name to go with.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hobbit User in Richmond" <user-24d6f8323faa@xymon.invalid>
To: <user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid>
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will 
happen

On Mon, August 4, 2008 05:32, Henrik Stoerner wrote:

I'd like suggestions for the name - it is a good topic for brainstorming.
 But You're right that in the end it is my decision what name to go with.

There are a few things I disagree with Henrik on, but this is not one of
them.    I'll be happy as long as he doesn't make the "o" one of those
things with the slash through it.

I'm surprised, though, that no one has suggested "Hamlet"....

-----Original Message-----
From: Henrik Stoerner [mailto:user-ce4a2c883f75@xymon.invalid]
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 5:33 AM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will happen

In <user-9ee9e71cd98a@xymon.invalid> "Phil Wild" <user-e365c1418192@xymon.invalid> writes:

Perhaps we need a poll? Well actually, this is Henrik's baby and I
guess he has not even asked for suggestions...

Consider yourself asked, then :-)

I'd like suggestions for the name - it is a good topic for brainstorming.
But You're right that in the end it is my decision what name to go with.


Henrik

On Mon, August 4, 2008 09:00, Galen Johnson wrote:

After reading the letters, it looked to me that as soon as they found out
they couldn't pin anyone down to get a slice of the ephemeral pie, they
decided that the name should be changed.

In <user-d062d12d4337@xymon.invalid> "Hobbit User in Richmond" <user-24d6f8323faa@xymon.invalid> writes:

On Mon, August 4, 2008 09:00, Galen Johnson wrote:

After reading the letters, it looked to me that as soon as they found out
they couldn't pin anyone down to get a slice of the ephemeral pie, they
decided that the name should be changed.

Well, as a PHB who's also a Linux lead, the way I read the letters is that
as soon as they found out they couldn't pin anyone down to commit to not
selling  slices of their client's pie and not giving any more of it away
than was already the case, they wanted a name change.  I thought the
attitude was quite refreshing after seeing decades worth of threatening
cease-and-desist letters.

On Mon, August 4, 2008 09:00, Galen Johnson wrote:

After reading the letters, it looked to me that as soon as they found out
they couldn't pin anyone down to get a slice of the ephemeral pie, they
decided that the name should be changed.

Well, as a PHB who's also a Linux lead, the way I read the letters is that
as soon as they found out they couldn't pin anyone down to commit to not
selling  slices of their client's pie and not giving any more of it away
than was already the case, they wanted a name change.  I thought the
attitude was quite refreshing after seeing decades worth of threatening
cease-and-desist letters.

I presume that's because of instruction from the client, not because of
the benevolent character of the law firm.

-- 
Tel: XXXX XXX XXX
Fax: XXXX XXX XXX
email: user-e365c1418192@xymon.invalid

From: "Phil Wild" <user-e365c1418192@xymon.invalid>
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 9:38 AM
To: <user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid>
Subject: Re: [hobbit] Don't make the pie higher! (was: RE: [hobbit] "Hobbit" 
name legal stuff; slight name change will happen)

I am not sure if any member use TWiki. The creater of TWiki ran into
similar issues with the copywrite owner of Buck Rogers. Twiki was the
kid sized robot. That Robot now appears on the page, along with a
disclaimer. I guess the difference there is that twiki.org may
actually bring some $'s to the original owners simply in advertising
an old memory. Unfortnately, the recent movies have had the opposite
effect with hobbit.

So before we lose momentum, what software sits behind the shire?

Can we get a poll going?

I guess before we get a poll we need to create a list of choices.
Unless someone has a better method, send your suggestions direct to

user-e365c1418192@xymon.invalid.

I will set up a filter to collect them.

Send the mail with a subject as such:

hobbitname: suggested_name

I will post a list of all suggested names to the list on August 15.
Then perhaps we can set up a poll where we can vote.

Thoughts?

Phil
2008/8/4 Hobbit User in Richmond <user-24d6f8323faa@xymon.invalid>:

On Mon, August 4, 2008 09:00, Galen Johnson wrote:

After reading the letters, it looked to me that as soon as they found 
out
they couldn't pin anyone down to get a slice of the ephemeral pie, they
decided that the name should be changed.

Well, as a PHB who's also a Linux lead, the way I read the letters is 
that
as soon as they found out they couldn't pin anyone down to commit to not
selling  slices of their client's pie and not giving any more of it away
than was already the case, they wanted a name change.  I thought the
attitude was quite refreshing after seeing decades worth of threatening
cease-and-desist letters.

I presume that's because of instruction from the client, not because of
the benevolent character of the law firm.

-- 
Tel: XXXX XXX XXX
Fax: XXXX XXX XXX
email: user-e365c1418192@xymon.invalid

=G=

-----Original Message-----
From: Henrik Stoerner [mailto:user-ce4a2c883f75@xymon.invalid]
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 10:32 AM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] Don't make the pie higher! (was: RE: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will happen)

In <user-d062d12d4337@xymon.invalid> "Hobbit User in Richmond" <user-24d6f8323faa@xymon.invalid> writes:

On Mon, August 4, 2008 09:00, Galen Johnson wrote:

After reading the letters, it looked to me that as soon as they found out
they couldn't pin anyone down to get a slice of the ephemeral pie, they
decided that the name should be changed.

Well, as a PHB who's also a Linux lead, the way I read the letters is that
as soon as they found out they couldn't pin anyone down to commit to not
selling  slices of their client's pie and not giving any more of it away
than was already the case, they wanted a name change.  I thought the
attitude was quite refreshing after seeing decades worth of threatening
cease-and-desist letters.

I agree. I think they have been treated me nicely; they could have just
sent me a "stop-doing-this-or-we'll-sue-you-now" letter. They didn't,
and in fact they have been generous to suggest a couple of possible
name changes that I could do which would keep them happy.

Add to this that they actually knew what I was talking about, when I
told them that Hobbit is an Open Source product, so there is no money
involved.

They have a trademark to defend, and one of the rules of that game is
that they MUST react when they become aware of possible violations of
their trademark; if they don't, then they can forfeit their ownership
of the trademark. So they have to do something, and I think they handled
this nicely.

Sure - having to rename everythin IS annoying, but I should have thought
about that when I first picked the name.


Regards,
Henrik

-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Wild [mailto:user-e365c1418192@xymon.invalid]
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 10:38 AM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] Don't make the pie higher! (was: RE: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will happen)

I am not sure if any member use TWiki. The creater of TWiki ran into
similar issues with the copywrite owner of Buck Rogers. Twiki was the
kid sized robot. That Robot now appears on the page, along with a
disclaimer. I guess the difference there is that twiki.org may
actually bring some $'s to the original owners simply in advertising
an old memory. Unfortnately, the recent movies have had the opposite
effect with hobbit.

So before we lose momentum, what software sits behind the shire?

Can we get a poll going?

I guess before we get a poll we need to create a list of choices.
Unless someone has a better method, send your suggestions direct to

user-e365c1418192@xymon.invalid.

I will set up a filter to collect them.

Send the mail with a subject as such:

hobbitname: suggested_name

I will post a list of all suggested names to the list on August 15.
Then perhaps we can set up a poll where we can vote.

Thoughts?

Phil
2008/8/4 Hobbit User in Richmond <user-24d6f8323faa@xymon.invalid>:

On Mon, August 4, 2008 09:00, Galen Johnson wrote:

After reading the letters, it looked to me that as soon as they found out
they couldn't pin anyone down to get a slice of the ephemeral pie, they
decided that the name should be changed.

Well, as a PHB who's also a Linux lead, the way I read the letters is that
as soon as they found out they couldn't pin anyone down to commit to not
selling  slices of their client's pie and not giving any more of it away
than was already the case, they wanted a name change.  I thought the
attitude was quite refreshing after seeing decades worth of threatening
cease-and-desist letters.

I presume that's because of instruction from the client, not because of
the benevolent character of the law firm.

--
Tel: XXXX XXX XXX
Fax: XXXX XXX XXX
email: user-e365c1418192@xymon.invalid

From: "Galen Johnson" <user-87f955643e3d@xymon.invalid>
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 9:52 AM
To: <user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid>
Subject: RE: [hobbit] Don't make the pie higher! (was: RE: [hobbit] "Hobbit" 
name legal stuff; slight name change will happen)

I'm not saying they weren't very nice...I agree it could have been handled 
in a much less friendly manner...lawyers never cease to amuse me.

Of course, when we pick a new name, I'm going to have to figure out a 
different name for The Shire to go with it...maybe I'll call it "Live Dog" 
or "Undead Hamster" or "Flushed Fish"... :-D

=G=

-----Original Message-----
From: Henrik Stoerner [mailto:user-ce4a2c883f75@xymon.invalid]
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 10:32 AM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] Don't make the pie higher! (was: RE: [hobbit] 
"Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will happen)

In <user-d062d12d4337@xymon.invalid> "Hobbit 
User in Richmond" <user-24d6f8323faa@xymon.invalid> writes:

On Mon, August 4, 2008 09:00, Galen Johnson wrote:

After reading the letters, it looked to me that as soon as they found 
out
they couldn't pin anyone down to get a slice of the ephemeral pie, they
decided that the name should be changed.

Well, as a PHB who's also a Linux lead, the way I read the letters is that
as soon as they found out they couldn't pin anyone down to commit to not
selling  slices of their client's pie and not giving any more of it away
than was already the case, they wanted a name change.  I thought the
attitude was quite refreshing after seeing decades worth of threatening
cease-and-desist letters.

I agree. I think they have been treated me nicely; they could have just
sent me a "stop-doing-this-or-we'll-sue-you-now" letter. They didn't,
and in fact they have been generous to suggest a couple of possible
name changes that I could do which would keep them happy.

Add to this that they actually knew what I was talking about, when I
told them that Hobbit is an Open Source product, so there is no money
involved.

They have a trademark to defend, and one of the rules of that game is
that they MUST react when they become aware of possible violations of
their trademark; if they don't, then they can forfeit their ownership
of the trademark. So they have to do something, and I think they handled
this nicely.

Sure - having to rename everythin IS annoying, but I should have thought
about that when I first picked the name.


Regards,
Henrik

From: "Phil Wild" <user-e365c1418192@xymon.invalid>
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 9:38 AM
To: <user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid>
Subject: Re: [hobbit] Don't make the pie higher! (was: RE: [hobbit] "Hobbit"
name legal stuff; slight name change will happen)

I am not sure if any member use TWiki. The creater of TWiki ran into
similar issues with the copywrite owner of Buck Rogers. Twiki was the
kid sized robot. That Robot now appears on the page, along with a
disclaimer. I guess the difference there is that twiki.org may
actually bring some $'s to the original owners simply in advertising
an old memory. Unfortnately, the recent movies have had the opposite
effect with hobbit.

So before we lose momentum, what software sits behind the shire?

Can we get a poll going?

I guess before we get a poll we need to create a list of choices.
Unless someone has a better method, send your suggestions direct to

user-e365c1418192@xymon.invalid.

I will set up a filter to collect them.

Send the mail with a subject as such:

hobbitname: suggested_name

I will post a list of all suggested names to the list on August 15.
Then perhaps we can set up a poll where we can vote.

Thoughts?

How about use hobbit wiki site for this polling purpose ?

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/System_Monitoring_with_Hobbit/User_Guide#Renaming_Hobbit


tj

Phil
2008/8/4 Hobbit User in Richmond <user-24d6f8323faa@xymon.invalid>:

On Mon, August 4, 2008 09:00, Galen Johnson wrote:

After reading the letters, it looked to me that as soon as they found
out
they couldn't pin anyone down to get a slice of the ephemeral pie, they
decided that the name should be changed.

Well, as a PHB who's also a Linux lead, the way I read the letters is
that
as soon as they found out they couldn't pin anyone down to commit to not
selling  slices of their client's pie and not giving any more of it away
than was already the case, they wanted a name change.  I thought the
attitude was quite refreshing after seeing decades worth of threatening
cease-and-desist letters.

I presume that's because of instruction from the client, not because of
the benevolent character of the law firm.

--
Tel: XXXX XXX XXX
Fax: XXXX XXX XXX
email: user-e365c1418192@xymon.invalid

-- 
Tel: XXXX XXX XXX
Fax: XXXX XXX XXX
email: user-e365c1418192@xymon.invalid

-----Original Message-----
From: T.J. Yang [mailto:user-8e841282cda5@xymon.invalid]
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 11:01 AM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] Don't make the pie higher! (was: RE: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will happen)


From: "Galen Johnson" <user-87f955643e3d@xymon.invalid>
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 9:52 AM
To: <user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid>
Subject: RE: [hobbit] Don't make the pie higher! (was: RE: [hobbit] "Hobbit"
name legal stuff; slight name change will happen)

I'm not saying they weren't very nice...I agree it could have been handled
in a much less friendly manner...lawyers never cease to amuse me.

Of course, when we pick a new name, I'm going to have to figure out a
different name for The Shire to go with it...maybe I'll call it "Live Dog"
or "Undead Hamster" or "Flushed Fish"... :-D

Since Henrik is going to use sourceforge more and open up the acess,

How about  use sourceforge.net to host hobbit add-ons(The Shire)  ?

Lets pool in limited hobbit resources together.

tj

=G=

-----Original Message-----
From: Henrik Stoerner [mailto:user-ce4a2c883f75@xymon.invalid]
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 10:32 AM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] Don't make the pie higher! (was: RE: [hobbit]
"Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will happen)

In <user-d062d12d4337@xymon.invalid> "Hobbit
User in Richmond" <user-24d6f8323faa@xymon.invalid> writes:

On Mon, August 4, 2008 09:00, Galen Johnson wrote:

After reading the letters, it looked to me that as soon as they found
out
they couldn't pin anyone down to get a slice of the ephemeral pie, they
decided that the name should be changed.

Well, as a PHB who's also a Linux lead, the way I read the letters is that
as soon as they found out they couldn't pin anyone down to commit to not
selling  slices of their client's pie and not giving any more of it away
than was already the case, they wanted a name change.  I thought the
attitude was quite refreshing after seeing decades worth of threatening
cease-and-desist letters.

I agree. I think they have been treated me nicely; they could have just
sent me a "stop-doing-this-or-we'll-sue-you-now" letter. They didn't,
and in fact they have been generous to suggest a couple of possible
name changes that I could do which would keep them happy.

Add to this that they actually knew what I was talking about, when I
told them that Hobbit is an Open Source product, so there is no money
involved.

They have a trademark to defend, and one of the rules of that game is
that they MUST react when they become aware of possible violations of
their trademark; if they don't, then they can forfeit their ownership
of the trademark. So they have to do something, and I think they handled
this nicely.

Sure - having to rename everythin IS annoying, but I should have thought
about that when I first picked the name.


Regards,
Henrik

From: "Galen Johnson" <user-87f955643e3d@xymon.invalid>
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 10:23 AM
To: <user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid>
Subject: RE: [hobbit] Don't make the pie higher! (was: RE: [hobbit] "Hobbit" 
name legal stuff; slight name change will happen)

I started out on sourceforge...it didn't work out too well.

-----Original Message-----
From: T.J. Yang [mailto:user-8e841282cda5@xymon.invalid]
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 11:01 AM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] Don't make the pie higher! (was: RE: [hobbit] 
"Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will happen)


From: "Galen Johnson" <user-87f955643e3d@xymon.invalid>
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 9:52 AM
To: <user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid>
Subject: RE: [hobbit] Don't make the pie higher! (was: RE: [hobbit] 
"Hobbit"
name legal stuff; slight name change will happen)

I'm not saying they weren't very nice...I agree it could have been 
handled
in a much less friendly manner...lawyers never cease to amuse me.

Of course, when we pick a new name, I'm going to have to figure out a
different name for The Shire to go with it...maybe I'll call it "Live 
Dog"
or "Undead Hamster" or "Flushed Fish"... :-D

Since Henrik is going to use sourceforge more and open up the acess,

How about  use sourceforge.net to host hobbit add-ons(The Shire)  ?

Lets pool in limited hobbit resources together.

tj

=G=

-----Original Message-----
From: Henrik Stoerner [mailto:user-ce4a2c883f75@xymon.invalid]
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 10:32 AM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] Don't make the pie higher! (was: RE: [hobbit]
"Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will happen)

In <user-d062d12d4337@xymon.invalid> "Hobbit
User in Richmond" <user-24d6f8323faa@xymon.invalid> writes:

On Mon, August 4, 2008 09:00, Galen Johnson wrote:

After reading the letters, it looked to me that as soon as they found
out
they couldn't pin anyone down to get a slice of the ephemeral pie, they
decided that the name should be changed.

Well, as a PHB who's also a Linux lead, the way I read the letters is 
that
as soon as they found out they couldn't pin anyone down to commit to not
selling  slices of their client's pie and not giving any more of it away
than was already the case, they wanted a name change.  I thought the
attitude was quite refreshing after seeing decades worth of threatening
cease-and-desist letters.

I agree. I think they have been treated me nicely; they could have just
sent me a "stop-doing-this-or-we'll-sue-you-now" letter. They didn't,
and in fact they have been generous to suggest a couple of possible
name changes that I could do which would keep them happy.

Add to this that they actually knew what I was talking about, when I
told them that Hobbit is an Open Source product, so there is no money
involved.

They have a trademark to defend, and one of the rules of that game is
that they MUST react when they become aware of possible violations of
their trademark; if they don't, then they can forfeit their ownership
of the trademark. So they have to do something, and I think they handled
this nicely.

Sure - having to rename everythin IS annoying, but I should have thought
about that when I first picked the name.


Regards,
Henrik

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Galen Johnson <user-87f955643e3d@xymon.invalid>wrote:

I'm not saying they weren't very nice...I agree it could have been handled
in a much less friendly manner...lawyers never cease to amuse me.

Of course, when we pick a new name, I'm going to have to figure out a
different name for The Shire to go with it...maybe I'll call it "Live Dog"
or "Undead Hamster" or "Flushed Fish"... :-D

=G=

-----Original Message-----
From: Henrik Stoerner [mailto:user-ce4a2c883f75@xymon.invalid]
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 10:32 AM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] Don't make the pie higher! (was: RE: [hobbit]
"Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will happen)

In <user-d062d12d4337@xymon.invalid> "Hobbit
User in Richmond" <user-24d6f8323faa@xymon.invalid> writes:

On Mon, August 4, 2008 09:00, Galen Johnson wrote:

After reading the letters, it looked to me that as soon as they found
out
they couldn't pin anyone down to get a slice of the ephemeral pie, they
decided that the name should be changed.

Well, as a PHB who's also a Linux lead, the way I read the letters is that
as soon as they found out they couldn't pin anyone down to commit to not
selling  slices of their client's pie and not giving any more of it away
than was already the case, they wanted a name change.  I thought the
attitude was quite refreshing after seeing decades worth of threatening
cease-and-desist letters.

I agree. I think they have been treated me nicely; they could have just
sent me a "stop-doing-this-or-we'll-sue-you-now" letter. They didn't,
and in fact they have been generous to suggest a couple of possible
name changes that I could do which would keep them happy.

Add to this that they actually knew what I was talking about, when I
told them that Hobbit is an Open Source product, so there is no money
involved.

They have a trademark to defend, and one of the rules of that game is
that they MUST react when they become aware of possible violations of
their trademark; if they don't, then they can forfeit their ownership
of the trademark. So they have to do something, and I think they handled
this nicely.

Sure - having to rename everythin IS annoying, but I should have thought
about that when I first picked the name.


Regards,
Henrik

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Gary Baluha <user-ae3e15c22de1@xymon.invalid> wrote:

On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Galen Johnson <user-87f955643e3d@xymon.invalid>wrote:

I'm not saying they weren't very nice...I agree it could have been handled
in a much less friendly manner...lawyers never cease to amuse me.

Of course, when we pick a new name, I'm going to have to figure out a
different name for The Shire to go with it...maybe I'll call it "Live Dog"
or "Undead Hamster" or "Flushed Fish"... :-D

Hahah, "Undead Hamster"!  That name immediately reminded me of the
"Hampster Dance"
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hampster_Dance]


=G=

-----Original Message-----
From: Henrik Stoerner [mailto:user-ce4a2c883f75@xymon.invalid]
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 10:32 AM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] Don't make the pie higher! (was: RE: [hobbit]
"Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will happen)

In <user-d062d12d4337@xymon.invalid> "Hobbit
User in Richmond" <user-24d6f8323faa@xymon.invalid> writes:

On Mon, August 4, 2008 09:00, Galen Johnson wrote:

After reading the letters, it looked to me that as soon as they found
out
they couldn't pin anyone down to get a slice of the ephemeral pie, they
decided that the name should be changed.

Well, as a PHB who's also a Linux lead, the way I read the letters is
that
as soon as they found out they couldn't pin anyone down to commit to not
selling  slices of their client's pie and not giving any more of it away
than was already the case, they wanted a name change.  I thought the
attitude was quite refreshing after seeing decades worth of threatening
cease-and-desist letters.

I agree. I think they have been treated me nicely; they could have just
sent me a "stop-doing-this-or-we'll-sue-you-now" letter. They didn't,
and in fact they have been generous to suggest a couple of possible
name changes that I could do which would keep them happy.

Add to this that they actually knew what I was talking about, when I
told them that Hobbit is an Open Source product, so there is no money
involved.

They have a trademark to defend, and one of the rules of that game is
that they MUST react when they become aware of possible violations of
their trademark; if they don't, then they can forfeit their ownership
of the trademark. So they have to do something, and I think they handled
this nicely.

Sure - having to rename everythin IS annoying, but I should have thought
about that when I first picked the name.


Regards,
Henrik

Josh Luthman wrote:

Flushed Fish has my vote.

Josh Luthman
Office: XXX-XXX-XXXX
Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX
XXXX Wayne St
Suite XXXX
Troy, OH XXXXX

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Gary Baluha <user-ae3e15c22de1@xymon.invalid 
<mailto:user-ae3e15c22de1@xymon.invalid>> wrote:

    On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Galen Johnson
    <user-87f955643e3d@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-87f955643e3d@xymon.invalid>> wrote:

        I'm not saying they weren't very nice...I agree it could have
        been handled in a much less friendly manner...lawyers never
        cease to amuse me.

        Of course, when we pick a new name, I'm going to have to
        figure out a different name for The Shire to go with
        it...maybe I'll call it "Live Dog" or "Undead Hamster" or
        "Flushed Fish"... :-D


    Hahah, "Undead Hamster"!  That name immediately reminded me of the
    "Hampster Dance"
    [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hampster_Dance]
     

        =G=

        -----Original Message-----
        From: Henrik Stoerner [mailto:user-ce4a2c883f75@xymon.invalid
        <mailto:user-ce4a2c883f75@xymon.invalid>]
        Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 10:32 AM
        To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid>
        Subject: Re: [hobbit] Don't make the pie higher! (was: RE:
        [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will
        happen)

        In
        <user-d062d12d4337@xymon.invalid
        "Hobbit User in Richmond" <user-24d6f8323faa@xymon.invalid
        <mailto:user-24d6f8323faa@xymon.invalid>> writes:

On Mon, August 4, 2008 09:00, Galen Johnson wrote:

After reading the letters, it looked to me that as soon as
        they found out
they couldn't pin anyone down to get a slice of the
        ephemeral pie, they
decided that the name should be changed.

Well, as a PHB who's also a Linux lead, the way I read the
        letters is that
as soon as they found out they couldn't pin anyone down to
        commit to not
selling  slices of their client's pie and not giving any more
        of it away
than was already the case, they wanted a name change.  I
        thought the
attitude was quite refreshing after seeing decades worth of
        threatening
cease-and-desist letters.

        I agree. I think they have been treated me nicely; they could
        have just
        sent me a "stop-doing-this-or-we'll-sue-you-now" letter. They
        didn't,
        and in fact they have been generous to suggest a couple of
        possible
        name changes that I could do which would keep them happy.

        Add to this that they actually knew what I was talking about,
        when I
        told them that Hobbit is an Open Source product, so there is
        no money
        involved.

        They have a trademark to defend, and one of the rules of that
        game is
        that they MUST react when they become aware of possible
        violations of
        their trademark; if they don't, then they can forfeit their
        ownership
        of the trademark. So they have to do something, and I think
        they handled
        this nicely.

        Sure - having to rename everythin IS annoying, but I should
        have thought
        about that when I first picked the name.


        Regards,
        Henrik

From: michael nemeth [mailto:user-609d3fab5b2d@xymon.invalid] 
Sent: Tuesday, 5 August 2008 11:53 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] Don't make the pie higher!


anyone suggest HNh (Hobbit is not hobbit) to follow GNU (gnu not unix) ?

Josh Luthman wrote: 

	Flushed Fish has my vote.
	
	Josh Luthman
	Office: XXX-XXX-XXXX
	Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX
	XXXX Wayne St
	Suite XXXX
	Troy, OH XXXXX
	
	Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it,
poorly.
	--- Henry Spencer
	
	
	On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Gary Baluha
<user-ae3e15c22de1@xymon.invalid> wrote:
	

		On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Galen Johnson
<user-87f955643e3d@xymon.invalid> wrote:
		

			I'm not saying they weren't very nice...I agree
it could have been handled in a much less friendly manner...lawyers
never cease to amuse me.
			
			Of course, when we pick a new name, I'm going to
have to figure out a different name for The Shire to go with it...maybe
I'll call it "Live Dog" or "Undead Hamster" or "Flushed Fish"... :-D
			

		Hahah, "Undead Hamster"!  That name immediately reminded
me of the "Hampster Dance"
		[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hampster_Dance]
		 
		
			=G=
			

			-----Original Message-----
			From: Henrik Stoerner [mailto:user-ce4a2c883f75@xymon.invalid]
			Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 10:32 AM
			To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
			Subject: Re: [hobbit] Don't make the pie higher!
(was: RE: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will
happen)
			
			
			In
<user-d062d12d4337@xymon.invalid> "Hobbit
User in Richmond" <user-24d6f8323faa@xymon.invalid> writes:
			

On Mon, August 4, 2008 09:00, Galen Johnson
wrote:

After reading the letters, it looked to me
that as soon as they found out
they couldn't pin anyone down to get a slice
of the ephemeral pie, they
decided that the name should be changed.

Well, as a PHB who's also a Linux lead, the way

I read the letters is that

as soon as they found out they couldn't pin
anyone down to commit to not
selling  slices of their client's pie and not
giving any more of it away
than was already the case, they wanted a name
change.  I thought the
attitude was quite refreshing after seeing
decades worth of threatening
cease-and-desist letters.

			
			
			I agree. I think they have been treated me
nicely; they could have just
			sent me a "stop-doing-this-or-we'll-sue-you-now"
letter. They didn't,
			and in fact they have been generous to suggest a
couple of possible
			name changes that I could do which would keep
them happy.
			
			Add to this that they actually knew what I was
talking about, when I
			told them that Hobbit is an Open Source product,
so there is no money
			involved.
			
			They have a trademark to defend, and one of the
rules of that game is
			that they MUST react when they become aware of
possible violations of
			their trademark; if they don't, then they can
forfeit their ownership
			of the trademark. So they have to do something,
and I think they handled
			this nicely.
			
			Sure - having to rename everythin IS annoying,
but I should have thought
			about that when I first picked the name.
			
			
			Regards,
			Henrik
			
			

			
			
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logo)  MPM          - Multi-Platform Monitor (and a nice play on MOM -
Microsoft's abortion)
Aprilicus    - A series of spy satellites
Almaz        - Russian military (spy) satellites. Almaz also means
diamond - reference to Hobbit icons?

browsing Wikipedia In the early  stellar cults of Mesopotamia there were four "royal" Stars (known as
Lords) which were called the  "watchers".  Each one of these stars "ruled" over one of the four cardinal points
common to Astrology.
This particular system would date from approximately 3000 BC.   The star Aldebaran, when it marked the Vernal Equinox, held the position
of Watcher of the East. Regulus, marking the Summer Solstice, was Watcher of the South. Antares, marking the Autumn Equinox, was Watcher of the West. Fomalhaut, marking the Winter Solstice, was Watcher of the North.   In the star myths the "watchers" themselves were depicted as gods who
guarded the Heavens and the Earth. Their nature, as well as their
"rank", was altered by the successive lunar and solar cults that
replaced the older stellar cults.

Cheers
Vernon

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	  -----Original Message-----
	From: Everett, Vernon [mailto:user-9da1a1882f49@xymon.invalid] 	Sent: 06 August 2008 07:47
	To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
	Subject: RE: [hobbit] Don't make the pie higher!
	
	
	Hi all
	 	I sent this the other day, but somehow, the formatting got all
garbled, so I doubt anybody took any notice of it.
	 	I did a bit of thinking about names. 	 	Precog       - see Minority Report (the movie)  	AWAC         - See military refereces  	Horus        - See All-seeing Eye of Horus  	Panoptes     - See Argus Panoptes of greek mythology (Peacock as
new logo)  	MPM          - Multi-Platform Monitor (and a nice play on MOM -
Microsoft's abortion)
	Aprilicus    - A series of spy satellites
	Almaz        - Russian military (spy) satellites. Almaz also
means diamond - reference to Hobbit icons?
	 	Now here's something else interesting I stumbled upon while
random browsing Wikipedia In the early  	stellar cults of Mesopotamia there were four "royal" Stars
(known as Lords) which were called the  	"watchers".  	Each one of these stars "ruled" over one of the four cardinal
points common to Astrology.
	This particular system would date from approximately 3000 BC.  	 	The star Aldebaran, when it marked the Vernal Equinox, held the
position of Watcher of the East. 	Regulus, marking the Summer Solstice, was Watcher of the South. 	Antares, marking the Autumn Equinox, was Watcher of the West. 	Fomalhaut, marking the Winter Solstice, was Watcher of the
North.  	 	In the star myths the "watchers" themselves were depicted as
gods who guarded the Heavens and the Earth. Their nature, as well as
their "rank", was altered by the successive lunar and solar cults that
replaced the older stellar cults.
	Any of those could be  a  good  name.  	 	And if we want to stick with fantasy characters, how about one
form the game Star Control II / The Ur-Quan Masters?
	Arilou.
	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariloulaleelay#Arilou
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariloulaleelay>;  	 	Any other ideas?
	Cheers
	Vernon
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Tim Grzechowski wrote:

We had a proc we were watching that was originally red.  We have since decided that this really is not a red condition for us and should be only a (yellow) warning.

 
After making the changes in hobbit-clients.cfg and saving the file.  Starting/stopping the hobbit server (several times) over the last week.  The proc continues to show red.

-----Original Message-----
From: Iain M Conochie [mailto:user-c784e16a5170@xymon.invalid] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 11:30 AM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] Simple hobbit-clients.cfg Q.

Tim Grzechowski wrote:

We had a proc we were watching that was originally red.  We have since decided that this really is not a red condition for us and should be only a (yellow) warning.

 
After making the changes in hobbit-clients.cfg and saving the file.  Starting/stopping the hobbit server (several times) over the last week.  The proc continues to show red.

What was the line before and what is it now?

Cheers

Iain

 
How do I re-set this parameter?

 
/tg

Tim Grzechowski wrote:

This is the "new" version.  The only difference is that we changed the
"fabric_worker_manager" from red to yellow.

          HOST=tstfabric64.ce.fedex.com
                  UP      15m
                  DISK    /                       90      95
                  PROC    fabric_keeper           1               red
                  PROC    fabric_worker_manager   1               yellow
                  PROC    portmap                 1               red
                  PROC    nfs                     1               red
                  PROC    sshd                    1               yellow
                  PROC    hobbitlaunch3

Yet it is still showing up on all the display pages as "red"

/tg
  

-----Original Message-----
From: Iain M Conochie [mailto:user-c784e16a5170@xymon.invalid] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 11:30 AM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] Simple hobbit-clients.cfg Q.

Tim Grzechowski wrote:
  

We had a proc we were watching that was originally red.  We have since 
decided that this really is not a red condition for us and should be 
only a (yellow) warning.

 
After making the changes in hobbit-clients.cfg and saving the file.  
Starting/stopping the hobbit server (several times) over the last 
week.  The proc continues to show red.

    

What was the line before and what is it now?

Cheers

Iain

  

How do I re-set this parameter?

 
/tg

    

/tg


-----Original Message-----
From: Iain M Conochie [mailto:user-c784e16a5170@xymon.invalid] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 12:09 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] Simple hobbit-clients.cfg Q.

You could try

PROC    fabric_worker_manager   1               color=yellow
PROC    sshd                    1               color=yellow

-----Original Message-----
From: Hobbit User in Richmond [mailto:user-24d6f8323faa@xymon.invalid] Sent: 06 August 2008 17:05
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: RE: [hobbit] Don't make the pie higher!

On Wed, August 6, 2008 09:40, Ward, Martin wrote:

Vernon? You've really got to get outside more....

Sounds like he's been getting waaaay out there, to me.

I've never taken to any of the mythos that have guardians for only the
cardinal compass points.  The Zuni had it probably had it right, with
coverage for the four directions, but also the eagle protecting from
above
and the mole from below.

On Thu, August 7, 2008 03:40, Lennon, Padraig wrote:

How about itsysmon?

The domain itsysmon.com seems to be available...

Just my 2c


Padraig Lennon
Senior Systems Engineer
Production Services
Pioneer Global Investments (Dublin)
5th Floor Georges Quay Plaza, Dublin 2
ext: XXXX
Direct dial: 00353 1 480 2081

-----Original Message-----
From: Hobbit User in Richmond [mailto:user-24d6f8323faa@xymon.invalid]
Sent: 06 August 2008 17:05
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: RE: [hobbit] Don't make the pie higher!

On Wed, August 6, 2008 09:40, Ward, Martin wrote:

Vernon? You've really got to get outside more....

Sounds like he's been getting waaaay out there, to me.

I've never taken to any of the mythos that have guardians for only the
cardinal compass points.  The Zuni had it probably had it right, with
coverage for the four directions, but also the eagle protecting from
above
and the mole from below.

On Saturday 02 August 2008, Thomas Leavitt wrote:

My wife is a professional web/graphic designer.

I'll ask her to play around with creating another set of icons, although
Steve's should be acceptable to the PHB types.

I do have to say that no one here has grumbled at me about the name or
the iconss.

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Stef Coene <user-dbffe946c0f4@xymon.invalid> wrote:

On Saturday 02 August 2008, Thomas Leavitt wrote:

My wife is a professional web/graphic designer.

I'll ask her to play around with creating another set of icons, although
Steve's should be acceptable to the PHB types.

I do have to say that no one here has grumbled at me about the name or
the iconss.

I received some remarks from some of my collegaes.  4 of them have color
blindness and it's very dificult to see the differences between the smileys
from a distance.


Stef

From: Josh Luthman [mailto:user-4c45a83f15cb@xymon.invalid]
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 10:08 AM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will happen

I'm sorry...from a distance?

It's a computer screen, not a TV.

You can make your own custom smilies anyways.  Just overwrite the images.

Josh Luthman
Office: XXX-XXX-XXXX
Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX
XXXX Wayne St
Suite XXXX
Troy, OH XXXXX

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Stef Coene <user-dbffe946c0f4@xymon.invalid<mailto:user-dbffe946c0f4@xymon.invalid>> wrote:
On Saturday 02 August 2008, Thomas Leavitt wrote:

My wife is a professional web/graphic designer.

I'll ask her to play around with creating another set of icons, although
Steve's should be acceptable to the PHB types.

I do have to say that no one here has grumbled at me about the name or
the iconss.

I received some remarks from some of my collegaes.  4 of them have color
blindness and it's very dificult to see the differences between the smileys
from a distance.


Stef

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Galen Johnson <user-87f955643e3d@xymon.invalid>wrote:

 If you've ever been to a real NOC, you'll notice that they usually have a
large set of displays that are set up around the room for viewing problems
at a glance.  I can understand where they would be viewing from a distance.


Ideally, to aid color blind folks (I work with a guy that has Macular
Degeneration and requires a special application that reverses his video) and
those that are visually impaired, the icon set should have different shapes
associated with them as well.  I'd have to go look but I think Steve
Aiello's set on The Shire are this way.


=G=


*From:* Josh Luthman [mailto:user-4c45a83f15cb@xymon.invalid]
*Sent:* Monday, August 11, 2008 10:08 AM
*To:* user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
*Subject:* Re: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will
happen


I'm sorry...from a distance?


It's a computer screen, not a TV.

You can make your own custom smilies anyways.  Just overwrite the images.

Josh Luthman
Office: XXX-XXX-XXXX
Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX
XXXX Wayne St
Suite XXXX
Troy, OH XXXXX

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer

 On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Stef Coene <user-dbffe946c0f4@xymon.invalid> wrote:

On Saturday 02 August 2008, Thomas Leavitt wrote:

My wife is a professional web/graphic designer.

I'll ask her to play around with creating another set of icons, although
Steve's should be acceptable to the PHB types.

I do have to say that no one here has grumbled at me about the name or
the iconss.

I received some remarks from some of my collegaes.  4 of them have color
blindness and it's very dificult to see the differences between the smileys
from a distance.


Stef

From: Josh Luthman [mailto:user-4c45a83f15cb@xymon.invalid] 
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 10:20 AM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will
happen

 
I've always had it easy seeing colors but I am near sighted.  I can see
the Hobbit display on a projector that is a good ~18 feet wide, reading
the text as well.  Colors were easier to read so it must be Galen's idea
of "Macular Degeneration" or some sort of color blindness.

Maybe we should follow the idea of doing different symbols.  A green
plus, red X, yellow circle for <24h and maybe just animate them for
anything >24h?

Also I've been kind of curious as to why the default green <24h icon is
a triclops...

Josh Luthman
Office: XXX-XXX-XXXX
Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX
XXXX Wayne St
Suite XXXX
Troy, OH XXXXX

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer

wrote:

If you've ever been to a real NOC, you'll notice that they usually have
a large set of displays that are set up around the room for viewing
problems at a glance.  I can understand where they would be viewing from
a distance.

 
Ideally, to aid color blind folks (I work with a guy that has Macular
Degeneration and requires a special application that reverses his video)
and those that are visually impaired, the icon set should have different
shapes associated with them as well.  I'd have to go look but I think
Steve Aiello's set on The Shire are this way.

 
=G=

 
From: Josh Luthman [mailto:user-4c45a83f15cb@xymon.invalid] 
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 10:08 AM


To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will
happen

 
I'm sorry...from a distance?


It's a computer screen, not a TV.

You can make your own custom smilies anyways.  Just overwrite the
images.

Josh Luthman
Office: XXX-XXX-XXXX
Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX
XXXX Wayne St
Suite XXXX
Troy, OH XXXXX

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Stef Coene <user-dbffe946c0f4@xymon.invalid>
wrote:

On Saturday 02 August 2008, Thomas Leavitt wrote:

My wife is a professional web/graphic designer.

I'll ask her to play around with creating another set of icons,
although
Steve's should be acceptable to the PHB types.

I do have to say that no one here has grumbled at me about the name or
the iconss.

I received some remarks from some of my collegaes.  4 of them have color
blindness and it's very dificult to see the differences between the
smileys
from a distance.


Stef

On Monday 11 August 2008, Galen Johnson wrote:

If you've ever been to a real NOC, you'll notice that they usually have a
large set of displays that are set up around the room for viewing problems
at a glance.  I can understand where they would be viewing from a distance.

Ideally, to aid color blind folks (I work with a guy that has Macular
Degeneration and requires a special application that reverses his video)
and those that are visually impaired, the icon set should have different
shapes associated with them as well.  I'd have to go look but I think Steve
Aiello's set on The Shire are this way.

user-744e62462615@xymon.invalid> wrote:

 HI,


Don't want to seem like I'm butting in but how bout road sign shapes they
have colors and shapes that most people know meaning of: stop sign is read
and has the familiar octagon shape, triangle for caution is usually orange,
and a circle for green might be a good way to do it. Just my 2 cents. Love
the hobbit no matter what the icons it is the best!!


Thank You

*Rafal Roginela*

Office (XXX) XXX-XXXX x109
Fax (XXX) XXX-XXXX

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Galen Johnson [mailto:user-87f955643e3d@xymon.invalid] 
	Sent: 11 August 2008 16:11
	To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
	Subject: RE: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name
change will happen
	
	
	If you've ever been to a real NOC, you'll notice that they
usually have a large set of displays that are set up around the room for
viewing problems at a glance.  I can understand where they would be
viewing from a distance.

	 
	Ideally, to aid color blind folks (I work with a guy that has
Macular Degeneration and requires a special application that reverses
his video) and those that are visually impaired, the icon set should
have different shapes associated with them as well.  I'd have to go look
but I think Steve Aiello's set on The Shire are this way.

	 
	=G=

	 
	From: Josh Luthman [mailto:user-4c45a83f15cb@xymon.invalid] 
	Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 10:08 AM
	To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
	Subject: Re: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name
change will happen

	 
	I'm sorry...from a distance?
	
	It's a computer screen, not a TV.
	
	You can make your own custom smilies anyways.  Just overwrite
the images.
	
	Josh Luthman
	Office: XXX-XXX-XXXX
	Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX
	XXXX Wayne St
	Suite XXXX
	Troy, OH XXXXX
	
	Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it,
poorly.
	--- Henry Spencer
	
	
	On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Stef Coene
<user-dbffe946c0f4@xymon.invalid> wrote:

	On Saturday 02 August 2008, Thomas Leavitt wrote:

My wife is a professional web/graphic designer.

I'll ask her to play around with creating another set of
icons, although
Steve's should be acceptable to the PHB types.

I do have to say that no one here has grumbled at me about the
name or
the iconss.

	I received some remarks from some of my collegaes.  4 of them
have color
	blindness and it's very dificult to see the differences between
the smileys
	from a distance.
	
	
	Stef

	
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On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Rafal Roginela <
user-744e62462615@xymon.invalid> wrote:

 HI,


Don't want to seem like I'm butting in but how bout road sign shapes they
have colors and shapes that most people know meaning of: stop sign is read
and has the familiar octagon shape, triangle for caution is usually orange,
and a circle for green might be a good way to do it. Just my 2 cents. Love
the hobbit no matter what the icons it is the best!!


Thank You

*Rafal Roginela*

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*Sent:* Monday, August 11, 2008 10:20 AM

*To:* user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
*Subject:* Re: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will
happen


I've always had it easy seeing colors but I am near sighted.  I can see the
Hobbit display on a projector that is a good ~18 feet wide, reading the text
as well.  Colors were easier to read so it must be Galen's idea of "Macular
Degeneration" or some sort of color blindness.

Maybe we should follow the idea of doing different symbols.  A green plus,
red X, yellow circle for <24h and maybe just animate them for anything >24h?

Also I've been kind of curious as to why the default green <24h icon is a
triclops...

Josh Luthman
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--- Henry Spencer

 On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Galen Johnson <user-87f955643e3d@xymon.invalid>
wrote:

If you've ever been to a real NOC, you'll notice that they usually have a
large set of displays that are set up around the room for viewing problems
at a glance.  I can understand where they would be viewing from a distance.


Ideally, to aid color blind folks (I work with a guy that has Macular
Degeneration and requires a special application that reverses his video) and
those that are visually impaired, the icon set should have different shapes
associated with them as well.  I'd have to go look but I think Steve
Aiello's set on The Shire are this way.


=G=


*From:* Josh Luthman [mailto:user-4c45a83f15cb@xymon.invalid]
*Sent:* Monday, August 11, 2008 10:08 AM


*To:* user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
*Subject:* Re: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will
happen


I'm sorry...from a distance?


It's a computer screen, not a TV.

You can make your own custom smilies anyways.  Just overwrite the images.

Josh Luthman
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Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Stef Coene <user-dbffe946c0f4@xymon.invalid> wrote:

On Saturday 02 August 2008, Thomas Leavitt wrote:

My wife is a professional web/graphic designer.

I'll ask her to play around with creating another set of icons, although
Steve's should be acceptable to the PHB types.

I do have to say that no one here has grumbled at me about the name or
the iconss.

I received some remarks from some of my collegaes.  4 of them have color
blindness and it's very dificult to see the differences between the smileys
from a distance.


Stef

Josh Luthman
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wrote:

Ok,
Figured I break this out into a separate thread, to get all ideas and
thoughts
about possible icons sets. Now in the past I put together a set, can be
found
on TheShire. I am not pushing it, just restating since I see alot of
comments
that this set applies to; color-blind friendly, corporate friendly, recent
icons attract the eye. So this is what is presently available if you want
them. I am not sure of the state of the archive on TheShire, I have created
a
few new icons for a special project. If there is interest, I can create a
complete icon set (some are missing, they aren't used much; circle with
question mark in it). I have included a screenshot in this email to give
you a
sampling. Also, I think past feedback suggested the pulsing might be better
if
slower, again if there is interest I can implement that & provide an update
icon set archive.

 ~Steve

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Ward, Martin <user-2d33a6eb6a05@xymon.invalid> wrote:

 The issue with colour blindness is that it's not the same for everyone.
Some people can't see red, others can't see green, still others can't see
easily see blue (simplified, but close enough for this discussion).

So, we could try and include multiple colour schemes, multiple shape
schemes, or both.

For the sake of simplicity I reckon on the multiple shapes idea (or simply
changing the shapes that we currently use, but it's nice to be
given choices).

|\/|artin

 -----Original Message-----
*From:* Galen Johnson [mailto:user-87f955643e3d@xymon.invalid]
*Sent:* 11 August 2008 16:11
*To:* user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
*Subject:* RE: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will
happen

 If you've ever been to a real NOC, you'll notice that they usually have a
large set of displays that are set up around the room for viewing problems
at a glance.  I can understand where they would be viewing from a distance.


Ideally, to aid color blind folks (I work with a guy that has Macular
Degeneration and requires a special application that reverses his video) and
those that are visually impaired, the icon set should have different shapes
associated with them as well.  I'd have to go look but I think Steve
Aiello's set on The Shire are this way.


=G=


*From:* Josh Luthman [mailto:user-4c45a83f15cb@xymon.invalid]
*Sent:* Monday, August 11, 2008 10:08 AM
*To:* user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
*Subject:* Re: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will
happen


I'm sorry...from a distance?

It's a computer screen, not a TV.

You can make your own custom smilies anyways.  Just overwrite the images.

Josh Luthman
Office: XXX-XXX-XXXX
Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX
XXXX Wayne St
Suite XXXX
Troy, OH XXXXX

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer

 On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Stef Coene <user-dbffe946c0f4@xymon.invalid> wrote:

On Saturday 02 August 2008, Thomas Leavitt wrote:

My wife is a professional web/graphic designer.

I'll ask her to play around with creating another set of icons, although
Steve's should be acceptable to the PHB types.

I do have to say that no one here has grumbled at me about the name or
the iconss.

I received some remarks from some of my collegaes.  4 of them have color
blindness and it's very dificult to see the differences between the smileys
from a distance.


Stef


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On Monday 11 August 2008, user-ce96540ed38f@xymon.invalid wrote:

Ok,
Figured I break this out into a separate thread, to get all ideas and
thoughts about possible icons sets. Now in the past I put together a set,
can be found on TheShire. I am not pushing it, just restating since I see
alot of comments that this set applies to; color-blind friendly, corporate
friendly, recent icons attract the eye. So this is what is presently
available if you want them. I am not sure of the state of the archive on
TheShire, I have created a few new icons for a special project. If there is
interest, I can create a complete icon set (some are missing, they aren't
used much; circle with question mark in it). I have included a screenshot
in this email to give you a sampling. Also, I think past feedback suggested
the pulsing might be better if slower, again if there is interest I can
implement that & provide an update icon set archive.

On Monday 11 August 2008 12:25:11 Josh Luthman wrote:

You have art skills!

I really think we need to make the difference between the 24h time period.
They're barely noticeable right next to each other.  Maybe make the older
changes animate?

The symbols there are acceptable, however, I would expect those who are
colorblind using large displays on the wall won't really see the shapes
well.

/Thomas Kern
/XXX-XXX-XXXX (O)
/XXX-XXX-XXXX (M)
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Luthman [mailto:user-4c45a83f15cb@xymon.invalid] Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 13:07
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will happen

Shapes is what I was going for (plus for positive, minus or an X for negative, circle for neutral.

Josh Luthman

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Stef Coene <user-dbffe946c0f4@xymon.invalid> wrote:

On Monday 11 August 2008, user-ce96540ed38f@xymon.invalid wrote:

Ok,
Figured I break this out into a separate thread, to get all ideas and
thoughts about possible icons sets. Now in the past I put together a set,
can be found on TheShire. I am not pushing it, just restating since I see
alot of comments that this set applies to; color-blind friendly,
corporate
friendly, recent icons attract the eye. So this is what is presently
available if you want them. I am not sure of the state of the archive on
TheShire, I have created a few new icons for a special project. If there
is
interest, I can create a complete icon set (some are missing, they aren't
used much; circle with question mark in it). I have included a screenshot
in this email to give you a sampling. Also, I think past feedback
suggested
the pulsing might be better if slower, again if there is interest I can
implement that & provide an update icon set archive.

Some thoughts.

Green is ok, so a static icon is fine: keep the smiley.

Red / Orange is bad, so a pulsing or changing icon for atracting attention.
 A
red smiley with the shape like the stop road sign pulsating to an X.  An
orange smiley with a triangle shape plusating to a - or _.  Red pulsating
faster then orange.

For the other colors, the shape is not that important.

Who knows a good program for creating animated icons for linux ?


Stef

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 18:52, Kern, Thomas <user-f1ebafb19faf@xymon.invalid> wrote:

Question mark ? for missing and Exclamation ! for disabled.

<user-4c45a83f15cb@xymon.invalid>wrote:

I know GIMP has some sort of an animation shop.

http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Simple_Animations/

Josh Luthman
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Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX
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Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Stef Coene <user-dbffe946c0f4@xymon.invalid> wrote:

On Monday 11 August 2008, user-ce96540ed38f@xymon.invalid wrote:

Ok,
Figured I break this out into a separate thread, to get all ideas and
thoughts about possible icons sets. Now in the past I put together a
set,
can be found on TheShire. I am not pushing it, just restating since I
see
alot of comments that this set applies to; color-blind friendly,
corporate
friendly, recent icons attract the eye. So this is what is presently
available if you want them. I am not sure of the state of the archive on
TheShire, I have created a few new icons for a special project. If there
is
interest, I can create a complete icon set (some are missing, they
aren't
used much; circle with question mark in it). I have included a
screenshot
in this email to give you a sampling. Also, I think past feedback
suggested
the pulsing might be better if slower, again if there is interest I can
implement that & provide an update icon set archive.

Some thoughts.

Green is ok, so a static icon is fine: keep the smiley.

Red / Orange is bad, so a pulsing or changing icon for atracting
attention.  A
red smiley with the shape like the stop road sign pulsating to an X.  An
orange smiley with a triangle shape plusating to a - or _.  Red pulsating
faster then orange.

For the other colors, the shape is not that important.

Who knows a good program for creating animated icons for linux ?


Stef

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Rob MacGregor <user-07c9d92ae079@xymon.invalid>wrote:

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 18:52, Kern, Thomas <user-f1ebafb19faf@xymon.invalid>
wrote:

Question mark ? for missing and Exclamation ! for disabled.

I'd suggest:

Green: Tick
Yellow: (warning) Triangle
Red: Stop sign or !
Disabled: X
Missing: - or ?

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 doesn't become a monster. Friedrich Nietzsche

On mán 11.ágú 2008 18:46, Ralph Mitchell wrote:

If you have a few GIF images to cycle through, you can stitch them
together using 'gifsicle':

    http://www.lcdf.org/~eddietwo/gifsicle/

I've used that for weather radar animations, to get more than the
standard 6 image cycle.  IIRC you can set the delay between images as
well as the restart-loop delay and maybe other stuff too.

Ralph Mitchell


On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Josh Luthman
<user-4c45a83f15cb@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-4c45a83f15cb@xymon.invalid>> wrote:

    I know GIMP has some sort of an animation shop.

    http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Simple_Animations/


    Josh Luthman
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    Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX
    XXXX Wayne St
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    Troy, OH XXXXX

    Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
    --- Henry Spencer


    On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Stef Coene <user-dbffe946c0f4@xymon.invalid
    <mailto:user-dbffe946c0f4@xymon.invalid>> wrote:

        On Monday 11 August 2008, user-ce96540ed38f@xymon.invalid
        <mailto:user-ce96540ed38f@xymon.invalid> wrote:

Ok,
Figured I break this out into a separate thread, to get all
        ideas and
thoughts about possible icons sets. Now in the past I put
        together a set,
can be found on TheShire. I am not pushing it, just restating
        since I see
alot of comments that this set applies to; color-blind
        friendly, corporate
friendly, recent icons attract the eye. So this is what is
        presently
available if you want them. I am not sure of the state of the
        archive on
TheShire, I have created a few new icons for a special
        project. If there is
interest, I can create a complete icon set (some are missing,
        they aren't
used much; circle with question mark in it). I have included a
        screenshot
in this email to give you a sampling. Also, I think past
        feedback suggested
the pulsing might be better if slower, again if there is
        interest I can
implement that & provide an update icon set archive.

        Some thoughts.

        Green is ok, so a static icon is fine: keep the smiley.

        Red / Orange is bad, so a pulsing or changing icon for atracting
        attention.  A
        red smiley with the shape like the stop road sign pulsating to
        an X.  An
        orange smiley with a triangle shape plusating to a - or _.  Red
        pulsating
        faster then orange.

        For the other colors, the shape is not that important.

        Who knows a good program for creating animated icons for linux ?


        Stef

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In <user-4e6b6ef2c17d@xymon.invalid> "Rob MacGregor" <user-07c9d92ae079@xymon.invalid> writes:

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 18:52, Kern, Thomas <user-f1ebafb19faf@xymon.invalid> wrote:

Question mark ? for missing and Exclamation ! for disabled.

I'd suggest:

Green: Tick
Yellow: (warning) Triangle
Red: Stop sign or !
Disabled: X
Missing: - or ?

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 20:24, Josh Luthman <user-4c45a83f15cb@xymon.invalid> wrote:

By tick I assume you mean a check mark
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:eY2rDilNoiIJ::www.aperfectworld.org/clipart/symbols/check.png
correct?

If so the check is already used by the acknowledgment icon.

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 doesn't become a monster. Friedrich Nietzsche

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob MacGregor [mailto:user-07c9d92ae079@xymon.invalid] 
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 2:48 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will
happen

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 20:24, Josh Luthman <user-4c45a83f15cb@xymon.invalid>
wrote:

By tick I assume you mean a check mark 

correct?

If so the check is already used by the acknowledgment icon.

I'd forgotten that - doh!  A + is probably the simplest other choice then
(or maybe a small OK).

Thinking about it though, as this is about catering for the colour blind,
it's probably worth also considering how to show acknowledged status codes.
Maybe by fading the basic symbol (octagon or triangle) and overlaying a
tick?  That would still allow a plain tick as a "green" code.

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From: White, Bruce [mailto:user-58f975e8bf9d@xymon.invalid] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 8:38 AM
To: 'user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid'
Subject: RE: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will
happen

 Here is my $.02.

I like the road sign idea.  Stop for red, triangle for yellow, circle
for
green, square for purple, inverted triangle for blue, and rectangle for
white.  Not sure what to do for status which have changed in the last 24
hours, but please don't drop that feature, I use it all the time, to
check
what happened which did NOT generate an alert.

I like the hobbeat, or heartbeat name or something like that.  I
installed
hobbit last April in my shop and in the past year+ it has become the way
to
check the heartbeat of the computer network.

Above all Hendrik, please let someone else take on the icon thing (I'm
not
an artist) and be sure to get your health (especially those floaters)
addressed. You and your health are far more important than what we all
see
on screens everyday.

      ......Bruce


-----Original Message-----
From: Rob MacGregor [mailto:user-07c9d92ae079@xymon.invalid] 
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 2:48 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will
happen

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 20:24, Josh Luthman
<user-4c45a83f15cb@xymon.invalid>
wrote:

By tick I assume you mean a check mark 
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:eY2rDilNoiIJ::www.aperfectworld.or
g/clipart/symbols/check.png
correct?

If so the check is already used by the acknowledgment icon.

I'd forgotten that - doh!  A + is probably the simplest other choice
then
(or maybe a small OK).

Thinking about it though, as this is about catering for the colour
blind,
it's probably worth also considering how to show acknowledged status
codes.
Maybe by fading the basic symbol (octagon or triangle) and overlaying a
tick?  That would still allow a plain tick as a "green" code.

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user-744e62462615@xymon.invalid> wrote:

Hi,

This is a great idea... the symbols are different enough that no one can
confuse them even at a glance nor if they can't see the colors. I mocked
something up real quick and dirty and I still think that the icons for
old status (>24hrs) should be animated and I have included my rough shot
attempts at this... I switched around blue and white shapes but the idea
would be the same just different colors. I attached the chart and also
the animated gifs as best as I could do them just for demo purposes... I
hope this puts an icon to the idea and is helpful. I am sure these could
be polished up very much by a real artist but these are hand drawn so no
licensing required..

Rafal Roginela

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-----Original Message-----
From: White, Bruce [mailto:user-58f975e8bf9d@xymon.invalid]
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 8:38 AM
To: 'user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid'
Subject: RE: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will
happen

 Here is my $.02.

I like the road sign idea.  Stop for red, triangle for yellow, circle
for
green, square for purple, inverted triangle for blue, and rectangle for
white.  Not sure what to do for status which have changed in the last 24
hours, but please don't drop that feature, I use it all the time, to
check
what happened which did NOT generate an alert.

I like the hobbeat, or heartbeat name or something like that.  I
installed
hobbit last April in my shop and in the past year+ it has become the way
to
check the heartbeat of the computer network.

Above all Hendrik, please let someone else take on the icon thing (I'm
not
an artist) and be sure to get your health (especially those floaters)
addressed. You and your health are far more important than what we all
see
on screens everyday.

     ......Bruce


-----Original Message-----
From: Rob MacGregor [mailto:user-07c9d92ae079@xymon.invalid]
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 2:48 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] "Hobbit" name legal stuff; slight name change will
happen

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 20:24, Josh Luthman
<user-4c45a83f15cb@xymon.invalid>
wrote:

By tick I assume you mean a check mark
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:eY2rDilNoiIJ::www.aperfectworld.or
g/clipart/symbols/check.png
correct?

If so the check is already used by the acknowledgment icon.

I'd forgotten that - doh!  A + is probably the simplest other choice
then
(or maybe a small OK).

Thinking about it though, as this is about catering for the colour
blind,
it's probably worth also considering how to show acknowledged status
codes.
Maybe by fading the basic symbol (octagon or triangle) and overlaying a
tick?  That would still allow a plain tick as a "green" code.

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user-ce96540ed38f@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-ce96540ed38f@xymon.invalid> wrote:

On Monday 11 August 2008 12:25:11 Josh Luthman wrote:

I really think we need to make the difference between the 24h time
period. They're barely noticeable right next to each other.  Maybe
make the older changes animate? 

The *-recent icons are animated, they pulse (shrink in size, grow in
size, pause, repeat). I animated the *-recent so that your eye would
be drawn to an report that had recently changed status. So even if
the status is green, people would ask, ".. Oh something happened
there", and dig into it. In my configuration the BBGENOPTS is set to
"--recentgifs=2h" instead of 24h. My hope is that the Hobbit display
page's majority of icons are the not animated. A page full of
animated icons would be visual chaos. 

user-ce96540ed38f@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-ce96540ed38f@xymon.invalid> wrote:

The group I work with have pretty much always used the same name for
monitoring, regardless of the monitoring engine being used.
Of course we have
only used BigBrother and now Hobbit. But I figured I would
share, that our
monitoring is called 'watcher'. Sweet and simple.  I even
created s simple
little logo that appears at the bottom of the web pages, an
eye. The color of
the iris changes to whatever the color of the web page. The
eye seemed to fit
well with the Watcher name & the hobbit name ;)

I think I mentioned the eye logo to Henrik a while back, if
he wanted it. Same
goes for ya'll. It isn't fantastic but looks good ( at least
in my opinion ).
I attached a quick contact sheet of the eyes if you are curious.

So my 2 cents, do with it what ya will,
 ~Steve