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list Galen Johnson
Hey folks, I was just reviewing usage and latest updates to monitors on xymonton.org. I see lots of traffic by bots and spiders but not much from users. I'm just curious if the community finds it useful at all. I'm pretty sure deadcat is better than dead (see what I did there?) since Dell bought Quest. I wasn't able to grab the tests to share on xymonton (if that was even relevant). thanks =G=
list Matt Vander Werf
I've found it very useful, especially when I was setting up our new Xymon server not too long ago. Maybe it's not well advertised that it exists? I know it took me a while before I found it. -- Matt Vander Werf
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On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Galen Johnson <user-fc632e705d24@xymon.invalid> wrote:
Hey folks, I was just reviewing usage and latest updates to monitors on xymonton.org. I see lots of traffic by bots and spiders but not much from users. I'm just curious if the community finds it useful at all. I'm pretty sure deadcat is better than dead (see what I did there?) since Dell bought Quest. I wasn't able to grab the tests to share on xymonton (if that was even relevant). thanks =G=
list Craig Nichols
I've had a similar experience. I do do like being able to reference it.
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On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 1:16 PM, Matt Vander Werf <user-dfc3cf2ca434@xymon.invalid> wrote:
I've found it very useful, especially when I was setting up our new Xymon server not too long ago. Maybe it's not well advertised that it exists? I know it took me a while before I found it. -- Matt Vander Werf On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Galen Johnson <user-fc632e705d24@xymon.invalid> wrote:Hey folks, I was just reviewing usage and latest updates to monitors on xymonton.org. I see lots of traffic by bots and spiders but not much from users. I'm just curious if the community finds it useful at all. I'm pretty sure deadcat is better than dead (see what I did there?) since Dell bought Quest. I wasn't able to grab the tests to share on xymonton (if that was even relevant). thanks =G=
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*Craig Nichols* *NOC Engineer* | Jive Communications, Inc. Jive.com | XXX-XXX-XXXX | user-8a738bc35875@xymon.invalid <user-9370e67dc6ef@xymon.invalid> <http://www.facebook.com/jive.communications.inc>; <http://www.twitter.com/getjive>; <http://jive.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=4932d71514b07235957f447d8&id=6f30a38c79&e=18cd39bd82>; <http://www.youtube.com/JiveTraining>; <http://www.linkedin.com/company/jive-communications-inc>;
list Galen Johnson
keen...I was planning to make some changes but didn't want to waste my time if noone was using it. I know Henrik has it referenced on xymon.com if you look under the "Xymon Project" drop down. Pretty sure it shows up near the top when you google for xymon. Ideally, I'd like to move as much content into Xymonton as possible. It is a wiki at it's core (and needs a little TLC I haven't had time for lately). =G=
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On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Craig Nichols <user-8a738bc35875@xymon.invalid> wrote:
I've had a similar experience. I do do like being able to reference it. On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 1:16 PM, Matt Vander Werf <user-dfc3cf2ca434@xymon.invalid> wrote:I've found it very useful, especially when I was setting up our new Xymon server not too long ago. Maybe it's not well advertised that it exists? I know it took me a while before I found it. -- Matt Vander Werf On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Galen Johnson <user-fc632e705d24@xymon.invalid> wrote:Hey folks, I was just reviewing usage and latest updates to monitors on xymonton.org. I see lots of traffic by bots and spiders but not much from users. I'm just curious if the community finds it useful at all. I'm pretty sure deadcat is better than dead (see what I did there?) since Dell bought Quest. I wasn't able to grab the tests to share on xymonton (if that was even relevant). thanks =G=-- *Craig Nichols* *NOC Engineer* | Jive Communications, Inc. Jive.com | XXX-XXX-XXXX | user-8a738bc35875@xymon.invalid <user-9370e67dc6ef@xymon.invalid> <http://www.facebook.com/jive.communications.inc>; <http://www.twitter.com/getjive>; <http://jive.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=4932d71514b07235957f447d8&id=6f30a38c79&e=18cd39bd82>; <http://www.youtube.com/JiveTraining>; <http://www.linkedin.com/company/jive-communications-inc>;
list Jeremy Laidman
Another vote from me for keeping Xymonton around! Even if I referred to it only once in the next 5 years, I would do so because it's extremely helpful. It's a valuable resource I wouldn't want to be without.
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On 6 July 2017 at 10:18, Galen Johnson <user-fc632e705d24@xymon.invalid> wrote:
keen...I was planning to make some changes but didn't want to waste my time if noone was using it. I know Henrik has it referenced on xymon.com if you look under the "Xymon Project" drop down. Pretty sure it shows up near the top when you google for xymon. Ideally, I'd like to move as much content into Xymonton as possible. It is a wiki at it's core (and needs a little TLC I haven't had time for lately). =G= On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Craig Nichols <user-8a738bc35875@xymon.invalid> wrote:I've had a similar experience. I do do like being able to reference it. On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 1:16 PM, Matt Vander Werf <user-dfc3cf2ca434@xymon.invalid> wrote:I've found it very useful, especially when I was setting up our new Xymon server not too long ago. Maybe it's not well advertised that it exists? I know it took me a while before I found it. -- Matt Vander Werf On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Galen Johnson <user-fc632e705d24@xymon.invalid> wrote:Hey folks, I was just reviewing usage and latest updates to monitors on xymonton.org. I see lots of traffic by bots and spiders but not much from users. I'm just curious if the community finds it useful at all. I'm pretty sure deadcat is better than dead (see what I did there?) since Dell bought Quest. I wasn't able to grab the tests to share on xymonton (if that was even relevant). thanks =G=-- *Craig Nichols* *NOC Engineer* | Jive Communications, Inc. Jive.com | XXX-XXX-XXXX | user-8a738bc35875@xymon.invalid <user-9370e67dc6ef@xymon.invalid> <http://www.facebook.com/jive.communications.inc>; <http://www.twitter.com/getjive>; <http://jive.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=4932d71514b07235957f447d8&id=6f30a38c79&e=18cd39bd82>; <http://www.youtube.com/JiveTraining>; <http://www.linkedin.com/company/jive-communications-inc>;
list Galen Johnson
Thanks. I've rethemed it and am looking into trying to make it just a little friendlier within the boundaries of dokuwiki...I want to make it more valuable which means more content but I'd prefer the community help contribute. There are several wiki's out there that I've considered attempting to mirror content of that don't seem to be getting updates (I hate stale content when I need help)...not sure if those owners would object to it, I'd also like to flesh out a "tips and tricks" page, a la what is in the menu but with more content. Like I said, I'm willing to put in some additional time on this as long as it's of value to the community. I can't fling much C code but I can manage systems and content :-). On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 7:57 PM, Jeremy Laidman <user-71895fb2e44c@xymon.invalid>
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Another vote from me for keeping Xymonton around! Even if I referred to it only once in the next 5 years, I would do so because it's extremely helpful. It's a valuable resource I wouldn't want to be without. On 6 July 2017 at 10:18, Galen Johnson <user-fc632e705d24@xymon.invalid> wrote:keen...I was planning to make some changes but didn't want to waste my time if noone was using it. I know Henrik has it referenced on xymon.com if you look under the "Xymon Project" drop down. Pretty sure it shows up near the top when you google for xymon. Ideally, I'd like to move as much content into Xymonton as possible. It is a wiki at it's core (and needs a little TLC I haven't had time for lately). =G= On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Craig Nichols <user-8a738bc35875@xymon.invalid> wrote:I've had a similar experience. I do do like being able to reference it. On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 1:16 PM, Matt Vander Werf <user-dfc3cf2ca434@xymon.invalid> wrote:I've found it very useful, especially when I was setting up our new Xymon server not too long ago. Maybe it's not well advertised that it exists? I know it took me a while before I found it. -- Matt Vander Werf On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Galen Johnson <user-fc632e705d24@xymon.invalid> wrote:Hey folks, I was just reviewing usage and latest updates to monitors on xymonton.org. I see lots of traffic by bots and spiders but not much from users. I'm just curious if the community finds it useful at all. I'm pretty sure deadcat is better than dead (see what I did there?) since Dell bought Quest. I wasn't able to grab the tests to share on xymonton (if that was even relevant). thanks =G=-- *Craig Nichols* *NOC Engineer* | Jive Communications, Inc. Jive.com | XXX-XXX-XXXX | user-8a738bc35875@xymon.invalid <user-9370e67dc6ef@xymon.invalid> <http://www.facebook.com/jive.communications.inc>; <http://www.twitter.com/getjive>; <http://jive.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=4932d71514b07235957f447d8&id=6f30a38c79&e=18cd39bd82>; <http://www.youtube.com/JiveTraining>; <http://www.linkedin.com/company/jive-communications-inc>;
list Glen Foster
Perhaps a xymonton.org link could be added to the Administration menu?
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On 07/06/17 20:55, Galen Johnson wrote:Thanks. I've rethemed it and am looking into trying to make it just a
little friendlier within the boundaries of dokuwiki...I want to make
it more valuable which means more content but I'd prefer the community
help contribute. There are several wiki's out there that I've
considered attempting to mirror content of that don't seem to be
getting updates (I hate stale content when I need help)...not sure if
those owners would object to it, I'd also like to flesh out a "tips
and tricks" page, a la what is in the menu but with more content.
Like I said, I'm willing to put in some additional time on this as
long as it's of value to the community. I can't fling much C code but
I can manage systems and content :-).
On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 7:57 PM, Jeremy Laidman
<user-71895fb2e44c@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-71895fb2e44c@xymon.invalid>> wrote:
Another vote from me for keeping Xymonton around! Even if I
referred to it only once in the next 5 years, I would do so
because it's extremely helpful. It's a valuable resource I
wouldn't want to be without.
On 6 July 2017 at 10:18, Galen Johnson <user-fc632e705d24@xymon.invalid
<mailto:user-fc632e705d24@xymon.invalid>> wrote:
keen...I was planning to make some changes but didn't want to
waste my time if noone was using it. I know Henrik has itreferenced on xymon.com <http://xymon.com>; if you look under
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the "Xymon Project" drop down. Pretty sure it shows up near
the top when you google for xymon. Ideally, I'd like to move
as much content into Xymonton as possible. It is a wiki at
it's core (and needs a little TLC I haven't had time for lately).
=G=
On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Craig Nichols
<user-8a738bc35875@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-8a738bc35875@xymon.invalid>> wrote:
I've had a similar experience. I do do like being able to
reference it.
On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 1:16 PM, Matt Vander Werf
<user-dfc3cf2ca434@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-dfc3cf2ca434@xymon.invalid>> wrote:
I've found it very useful, especially when I was
setting up our new Xymon server not too long ago.
Maybe it's not well advertised that it exists? I know
it took me a while before I found it.
--
Matt Vander Werf
On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Galen Johnson
<user-fc632e705d24@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-fc632e705d24@xymon.invalid>> wrote:
Hey folks,
I was just reviewing usage and latest updates tomonitors on xymonton.org <http://xymonton.org>;. I
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see lots of traffic by bots and spiders but not
much from users. I'm just curious if the
community finds it useful at all. I'm pretty sure
deadcat is better than dead (see what I did
there?) since Dell bought Quest. I wasn't able to
grab the tests to share on xymonton (if that was
even relevant).
thanks
=G=
<
<
--
*Craig Nichols*
/NOC Engineer/ | Jive Communications, Inc.
Jive.com | XXX-XXX-XXXX | user-8a738bc35875@xymon.invalid<http://www.facebook.com/jive.communications.inc><http://www.twitter.com/getjive><http://jive.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=4932d71514b07235957f447d8&id=6f30a38c79&e=18cd39bd82><http://www.youtube.com/JiveTraining><http://www.linkedin.com/company/jive-communications-inc>; <
list Jeremy Laidman
Or maybe the "Help" menu. Either way I can understand Henrik not wanting to link to a website outside of his control (where he can't guarantee will be up in 5 years time, say). It's reasonably straightforward straightforward to update the HTML templates to add to the menu. The Devmon documentation describes how to do this (add "Devmon documentation" to the "Help" menu), and perhaps Xymonton could have similar directions prominently displayed.
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On 7 July 2017 at 10:57, Glen Foster <user-2c8a1cd44bc0@xymon.invalid> wrote:
Perhaps a xymonton.org link could be added to the Administration menu? On 07/06/17 20:55, Galen Johnson wrote: Thanks. I've rethemed it and am looking into trying to make it just a little friendlier within the boundaries of dokuwiki...I want to make it more valuable which means more content but I'd prefer the community help contribute. There are several wiki's out there that I've considered attempting to mirror content of that don't seem to be getting updates (I hate stale content when I need help)...not sure if those owners would object to it, I'd also like to flesh out a "tips and tricks" page, a la what is in the menu but with more content. Like I said, I'm willing to put in some additional time on this as long as it's of value to the community. I can't fling much C code but I can manage systems and content :-). On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 7:57 PM, Jeremy Laidman <user-71895fb2e44c@xymon.invalid> wrote:Another vote from me for keeping Xymonton around! Even if I referred to it only once in the next 5 years, I would do so because it's extremely helpful. It's a valuable resource I wouldn't want to be without. On 6 July 2017 at 10:18, Galen Johnson <user-fc632e705d24@xymon.invalid> wrote:keen...I was planning to make some changes but didn't want to waste my time if noone was using it. I know Henrik has it referenced on xymon.com if you look under the "Xymon Project" drop down. Pretty sure it shows up near the top when you google for xymon. Ideally, I'd like to move as much content into Xymonton as possible. It is a wiki at it's core (and needs a little TLC I haven't had time for lately). =G= On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Craig Nichols <user-8a738bc35875@xymon.invalid> wrote:I've had a similar experience. I do do like being able to reference it. On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 1:16 PM, Matt Vander Werf <user-dfc3cf2ca434@xymon.invalid> wrote:I've found it very useful, especially when I was setting up our new Xymon server not too long ago. Maybe it's not well advertised that it exists? I know it took me a while before I found it. -- Matt Vander Werf On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Galen Johnson <user-fc632e705d24@xymon.invalid> wrote:Hey folks, I was just reviewing usage and latest updates to monitors on xymonton.org. I see lots of traffic by bots and spiders but not much from users. I'm just curious if the community finds it useful at all. I'm pretty sure deadcat is better than dead (see what I did there?) since Dell bought Quest. I wasn't able to grab the tests to share on xymonton (if that was even relevant). thanks =G=-- *Craig Nichols* *NOC Engineer* | Jive Communications, Inc. Jive.com | XXX-XXX-XXXX | user-8a738bc35875@xymon.invalid <user-9370e67dc6ef@xymon.invalid> <http://www.facebook.com/jive.communications.inc>; <http://www.twitter.com/getjive>; <http://jive.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=4932d71514b07235957f447d8&id=6f30a38c79&e=18cd39bd82>; <http://www.youtube.com/JiveTraining>; <http://www.linkedin.com/company/jive-communications-inc>;
Xymon mailing user-d459c9d661b6@xymon.invalid
list Bruce Ferrell
I use it and direct new users to it for canned examples of what can be done
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On 07/06/2017 04:57 PM, Jeremy Laidman wrote:Another vote from me for keeping Xymonton around! Even if I referred to it only once in the next 5 years, I would do so because it's extremely helpful. It's a valuable resource I
wouldn't want to be without.
On 6 July 2017 at 10:18, Galen Johnson <user-fc632e705d24@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-fc632e705d24@xymon.invalid>> wrote:
keen...I was planning to make some changes but didn't want to waste my time if noone was using it. I know Henrik has it referenced on xymon.com <http://xymon.com>; if you
look under the "Xymon Project" drop down. Pretty sure it shows up near the top when you google for xymon. Ideally, I'd like to move as much content into Xymonton as
possible. It is a wiki at it's core (and needs a little TLC I haven't had time for lately).
=G=
On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Craig Nichols <user-8a738bc35875@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-8a738bc35875@xymon.invalid>> wrote:
I've had a similar experience. I do do like being able to reference it.
On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 1:16 PM, Matt Vander Werf <user-dfc3cf2ca434@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-dfc3cf2ca434@xymon.invalid>> wrote:
I've found it very useful, especially when I was setting up our new Xymon server not too long ago.
Maybe it's not well advertised that it exists? I know it took me a while before I found it.
--
Matt Vander Werf
On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Galen Johnson <user-fc632e705d24@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-fc632e705d24@xymon.invalid>> wrote:
Hey folks,
I was just reviewing usage and latest updates to monitors on xymonton.org <http://xymonton.org>;. I see lots of traffic by bots and spiders but not much from
users. I'm just curious if the community finds it useful at all. I'm pretty sure deadcat is better than dead (see what I did there?) since Dell bought Quest. I
wasn't able to grab the tests to share on xymonton (if that was even relevant).
thanks
=G=
Xymon at xymon.com < Xymon at xymon.com < -- *Craig Nichols* /NOC Engineer/ | Jive Communications, Inc. Jive.com | XXX-XXX-XXXX | user-8a738bc35875@xymon.invalid <mailto:user-9370e67dc6ef@xymon.invalid> <http://www.facebook.com/jive.communications.inc><http://www.twitter.com/getjive><http://jive.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=4932d71514b07235957f447d8&id=6f30a38c79&e=18cd39bd82><http://www.youtube.com/JiveTraining><http://www.linkedin.com/company/jive-communications-inc>; Xymon at xymon.com <
list Matt Vander Werf
It looks good! Thanks for providing this great resource! What's the best way for people to contribute content/scripts/etc.? Send the info to you? Or try and edit the wiki to add the content themselves? Thanks. -- Matt Vander Werf
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On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Galen Johnson <user-fc632e705d24@xymon.invalid> wrote:
Thanks. I've rethemed it and am looking into trying to make it just a little friendlier within the boundaries of dokuwiki...I want to make it more valuable which means more content but I'd prefer the community help contribute. There are several wiki's out there that I've considered attempting to mirror content of that don't seem to be getting updates (I hate stale content when I need help)...not sure if those owners would object to it, I'd also like to flesh out a "tips and tricks" page, a la what is in the menu but with more content. Like I said, I'm willing to put in some additional time on this as long as it's of value to the community. I can't fling much C code but I can manage systems and content :-). On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 7:57 PM, Jeremy Laidman <user-71895fb2e44c@xymon.invalid> wrote:Another vote from me for keeping Xymonton around! Even if I referred to it only once in the next 5 years, I would do so because it's extremely helpful. It's a valuable resource I wouldn't want to be without. On 6 July 2017 at 10:18, Galen Johnson <user-fc632e705d24@xymon.invalid> wrote:keen...I was planning to make some changes but didn't want to waste my time if noone was using it. I know Henrik has it referenced on xymon.com if you look under the "Xymon Project" drop down. Pretty sure it shows up near the top when you google for xymon. Ideally, I'd like to move as much content into Xymonton as possible. It is a wiki at it's core (and needs a little TLC I haven't had time for lately). =G= On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Craig Nichols <user-8a738bc35875@xymon.invalid> wrote:I've had a similar experience. I do do like being able to reference it. On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 1:16 PM, Matt Vander Werf <user-dfc3cf2ca434@xymon.invalid> wrote:I've found it very useful, especially when I was setting up our new Xymon server not too long ago. Maybe it's not well advertised that it exists? I know it took me a while before I found it. -- Matt Vander Werf On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Galen Johnson <user-fc632e705d24@xymon.invalid> wrote:Hey folks, I was just reviewing usage and latest updates to monitors on xymonton.org. I see lots of traffic by bots and spiders but not much from users. I'm just curious if the community finds it useful at all. I'm pretty sure deadcat is better than dead (see what I did there?) since Dell bought Quest. I wasn't able to grab the tests to share on xymonton (if that was even relevant). thanks =G=-- *Craig Nichols* *NOC Engineer* | Jive Communications, Inc. Jive.com | XXX-XXX-XXXX | user-8a738bc35875@xymon.invalid <user-9370e67dc6ef@xymon.invalid> <http://www.facebook.com/jive.communications.inc>; <http://www.twitter.com/getjive>; <http://jive.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=4932d71514b07235957f447d8&id=6f30a38c79&e=18cd39bd82>; <http://www.youtube.com/JiveTraining>; <http://www.linkedin.com/company/jive-communications-inc>;
list Galen Johnson
Matt, It's essentially a wiki(ok, not essentially...it is a wiki). It does require that you "create a login" to add/edit pages. I have tried to set up templates for most areas and am planning to do some better organization. Hopefully, some of the extensions I added will help with that. =G=
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On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 6:38 AM, Matt Vander Werf <user-dfc3cf2ca434@xymon.invalid> wrote:
It looks good! Thanks for providing this great resource! What's the best way for people to contribute content/scripts/etc.? Send the info to you? Or try and edit the wiki to add the content themselves? Thanks. -- Matt Vander Werf On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Galen Johnson <user-fc632e705d24@xymon.invalid> wrote:Thanks. I've rethemed it and am looking into trying to make it just a little friendlier within the boundaries of dokuwiki...I want to make it more valuable which means more content but I'd prefer the community help contribute. There are several wiki's out there that I've considered attempting to mirror content of that don't seem to be getting updates (I hate stale content when I need help)...not sure if those owners would object to it, I'd also like to flesh out a "tips and tricks" page, a la what is in the menu but with more content. Like I said, I'm willing to put in some additional time on this as long as it's of value to the community. I can't fling much C code but I can manage systems and content :-). On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 7:57 PM, Jeremy Laidman <user-71895fb2e44c@xymon.invalid> wrote:Another vote from me for keeping Xymonton around! Even if I referred to it only once in the next 5 years, I would do so because it's extremely helpful. It's a valuable resource I wouldn't want to be without. On 6 July 2017 at 10:18, Galen Johnson <user-fc632e705d24@xymon.invalid> wrote:keen...I was planning to make some changes but didn't want to waste my time if noone was using it. I know Henrik has it referenced on xymon.com if you look under the "Xymon Project" drop down. Pretty sure it shows up near the top when you google for xymon. Ideally, I'd like to move as much content into Xymonton as possible. It is a wiki at it's core (and needs a little TLC I haven't had time for lately). =G= On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Craig Nichols <user-8a738bc35875@xymon.invalid> wrote:I've had a similar experience. I do do like being able to reference it. On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 1:16 PM, Matt Vander Werf <user-dfc3cf2ca434@xymon.invalid> wrote:I've found it very useful, especially when I was setting up our new Xymon server not too long ago. Maybe it's not well advertised that it exists? I know it took me a while before I found it. -- Matt Vander Werf On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Galen Johnson <user-fc632e705d24@xymon.invalid> wrote:Hey folks, I was just reviewing usage and latest updates to monitors on xymonton.org. I see lots of traffic by bots and spiders but not much from users. I'm just curious if the community finds it useful at all. I'm pretty sure deadcat is better than dead (see what I did there?) since Dell bought Quest. I wasn't able to grab the tests to share on xymonton (if that was even relevant). thanks =G=-- *Craig Nichols* *NOC Engineer* | Jive Communications, Inc. Jive.com | XXX-XXX-XXXX | user-8a738bc35875@xymon.invalid <user-9370e67dc6ef@xymon.invalid> <http://www.facebook.com/jive.communications.inc>; <http://www.twitter.com/getjive>; <http://jive.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=4932d71514b07235957f447d8&id=6f30a38c79&e=18cd39bd82>; <http://www.youtube.com/JiveTraining>; <http://www.linkedin.com/company/jive-communications-inc>;