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list David Peters · Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:18:56 +1000 ·
I think I have posted this quite a while ago but it is still on my mind. We currently configure the hosts, pages etc using a windows database and windows front end that I wrote quite some time ago. I keep getting the urge to convert it to a linux database and a web frontend. However I would not do this if there is no interest in using it.

The point is that you never touch the bb-hosts file and all configuration of hosts and layouts is done via a user interface.

Is there any interest in this?
Is there anyone willing to help?
If so I was going to convert to mysql and either php or perl cgi. Any comments on this?

We have 400 odd hosts here and have pages split by priority, service, location, and support group all on the front page but all configured via the database. 
Currently the bb-hosts is built via a perl script that extracts the database and then generates a main bb-hosts file plus include files for each sub-page.


David Peters

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list T.J. Yang · Wed, 1 Jul 2009 00:01:07 -0500 ·
quoted from David Peters
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
From: user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:18:56 +1000
Subject: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.


I think I have posted this quite a while
ago but it is still on my mind. 
Not only in my mind. I got to deliver it in next few months.
quoted from David Peters
We currently configure the hosts, pages
etc using a windows database and windows front end that I wrote quite some
time ago. I keep getting the urge to convert it to a linux database and
a web frontend. However I would not do this if there is no interest in
using it.
My interest about Xymon and relational DB is mainly from asset inventory perspective.
Xymon doing a decent jobs collecting system information(io/cpu/memory/disk). But what about a system's
asset information ? where is rack position of this machine ? what is the serial number, owner, function ? and is it a owned orleased machnine ? Asset information like this are most likely kept in Excel files. Won't it be nature to tight these information together ? Xymon should be able to do both system and inventory monitoring.(ie, you got a red yellow alert if a machine's lease is expiring in 1 month).


To achieve this goal, I plan to introduce a relational DB into my Xymon server system.

Please see the details here, 
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/System_Monitoring_with_Xymon/Developer_Guide#Using_relational_DBs_with_Xymon_Server
quoted from David Peters

The point is that you never touch the
bb-hosts file and all configuration of hosts and layouts is done via a
user interface.
Is there any interest in this?
Yes.
Is there anyone willing to help?
Count me in. 
I am decent at perl programming and currently learning php/extjs/qWikiOffice.
quoted from David Peters
If so I was going to convert to mysql
and either php or perl cgi. Any comments on this?
perl cgi script works but it is really not eye-catching. 
I like to stay with perl but php community is so strong. 
Catalyst is perl's MVC solution but it is weak on "View" part.
As long as your requirement doesn't need EXTJS then Catalyst a very good solution.
quoted from David Peters

We have 400 odd hosts here and have
pages split by priority, service, location, and support group all on the
front page but all configured via the database.


Currently the bb-hosts is built via
a perl script that extracts the database and then generates a main bb-hosts
file plus include files for each sub-page.
Can you post your perl script here ? or on 
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/System_Monitoring_with_Xymon/Developer_Guide#bb-hosts_generation


Regards


tj
quoted from David Peters

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list Buchan Milne · Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:19:09 +0200 ·
quoted from T.J. Yang
On Wednesday 01 July 2009 02:18:56 user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid wrote:
I think I have posted this quite a while ago but it is still on my mind.
We currently configure the hosts, pages etc using a windows database and
windows front end that I wrote quite some time ago. I keep getting the
urge to convert it to a linux database and a web frontend. However I would
not do this if there is no interest in using it.
We don't (yet) manage our Hobbit configuration from a database, but we do have a lot of information in a configuration database that we use for asset tracking and automated deployment. We did this in Catalyst, as we get:
-sessions
-flexible authentication and authorization (e.g., members of some groups in LDAP are allowed to make changes, others are allowed to view all server details but make no changes, others see a limited set of details).
-templating
-Database ORM
for very little work.
quoted from T.J. Yang
The point is that you never touch the bb-hosts file and all configuration
of hosts and layouts is done via a user interface.

Is there any interest in this?
Yes.
Is there anyone willing to help?
Maybe ...
quoted from T.J. Yang
If so I was going to convert to mysql and either php or perl cgi. Any
comments on this?
I would prefer a modern MVC-based framework, e.g. Catalyst. I would consider starting with an architecture that can replace the whole Xymon web interface, and have the configuration part only a small component.

For example, there should be a Xymon "Model" to get data from Xymon itself (by connecting to hobbitd to do a query or hobbitdlog or hobbitdxlog.

For now, I would pull in as many pieces of Hobbit as we can (e.g. still link to some of the CGIs), and later migrate to using native implementations (using Catalyst::View::RRDGraph)

We could also provide an API to allow 3rd-party integration (if people have other CMDBs).
quoted from T.J. Yang
We have 400 odd hosts here and have pages split by priority, service,
location, and support group all on the front page but all configured via
the database.

Currently the bb-hosts is built via a perl script that extracts the
database and then generates a main bb-hosts file plus include files for
each sub-page.
I would consider having the configuration generation done as part of a Catalyst app ...

Regards,
Buchan
list Martin Ward · Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:25:28 +0100 ·
Interest: I am certainly interested in this, especially with the asset
management additions that TJ mentioned.

Aid: I would push for PHP rather than perl although I can code in both
and am willing to help.

Nitty-gritty: However you write the code to generate the bb-hosts file
you will need to include a comments field that allows users to add extra
options to the comments field in the bb-hosts file. This is so that when
Xymon is upgraded and Henrik adds more options in that would be added to
the comments field, users can add those new options without having to
wait until you rewrite the front-end.


|\/|artin
quoted from T.J. Yang
-----Original Message-----
From: T.J. Yang [mailto:user-8e841282cda5@xymon.invalid]
Sent: 01 July 2009 06:01
To: hobbit system monitoring
Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.

To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
From: user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:18:56 +1000
Subject: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.


I think I have posted this quite a while
ago but it is still on my mind.
Not only in my mind. I got to deliver it in next few months.
We currently configure the hosts, pages
etc using a windows database and windows front end that I wrote
quite
some
time ago. I keep getting the urge to convert it to a linux database
and
a web frontend. However I would not do this if there is no interest
in
using it.
My interest about Xymon and relational DB is mainly from asset
inventory perspective.
Xymon doing a decent jobs collecting system
information(io/cpu/memory/disk). But what about a system's
asset information ? where is rack position of this machine ? what is
the serial number, owner, function ? and is it a owned orleased
machnine ? Asset information like this are most likely kept in Excel
files. Won't it be nature to tight these information together ? Xymon
should be able to do both system and inventory monitoring.(ie, you got
a red yellow alert if a machine's lease is expiring in 1 month).


To achieve this goal, I plan to introduce a relational DB into my
Xymon
server system.

Please see the details here,
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/System_Monitoring_with_Xymon/Developer_Gui
de#Using_relational_DBs_with_Xymon_Server
quoted from Buchan Milne

The point is that you never touch the
bb-hosts file and all configuration of hosts and layouts is done via
a
user interface.
Is there any interest in this?
Yes.
Is there anyone willing to help?
Count me in.
I am decent at perl programming and currently learning
php/extjs/qWikiOffice.
If so I was going to convert to mysql
and either php or perl cgi. Any comments on this?
perl cgi script works but it is really not eye-catching.
I like to stay with perl but php community is so strong.
Catalyst is perl's MVC solution but it is weak on "View" part.
As long as your requirement doesn't need EXTJS then Catalyst a very
good solution.

We have 400 odd hosts here and have
pages split by priority, service, location, and support group all on
the
front page but all configured via the database.


Currently the bb-hosts is built via
a perl script that extracts the database and then generates a main
bb-hosts
file plus include files for each sub-page.
Can you post your perl script here ? or on
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/System_Monitoring_with_Xymon/Developer_Gui
de#bb-hosts_generation
quoted from T.J. Yang


Regards


tj

David Peters


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+61 4 17863572


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list Buchan Milne · Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:34:04 +0200 ·
quoted from T.J. Yang
On Wednesday 01 July 2009 07:01:07 T.J. Yang wrote:
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
From: user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:18:56 +1000
Subject: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.


I think I have posted this quite a while
ago but it is still on my mind.
Not only in my mind. I got to deliver it in next few months.
We currently configure the hosts, pages
etc using a windows database and windows front end that I wrote quite
some time ago. I keep getting the urge to convert it to a linux database
and a web frontend. However I would not do this if there is no interest
in using it.
My interest about Xymon and relational DB is mainly from asset inventory
perspective. Xymon doing a decent jobs collecting system
information(io/cpu/memory/disk). But what about a system's asset
information ? where is rack position of this machine ? what is the serial
number, owner, function ? and is it a owned orleased machnine ? Asset
information like this are most likely kept in Excel files. Won't it be
nature to tight these information together ? Xymon should be able to do
both system and inventory monitoring.(ie, you got a red yellow alert if a
machine's lease is expiring in 1 month).


To achieve this goal, I plan to introduce a relational DB into my Xymon
server system.

Please see the details here,

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/System_Monitoring_with_Xymon/Developer_Guide#U
sing_relational_DBs_with_Xymon_Server
quoted from Martin Ward
The point is that you never touch the
bb-hosts file and all configuration of hosts and layouts is done via a
user interface.


Is there any interest in this?
Yes.
Is there anyone willing to help?
Count me in.
I am decent at perl programming and currently learning
php/extjs/qWikiOffice.
IMHO you shouldn't be choosing solutions before you have requirements ....

While qwikioffice looks snazzy, one of my requirements is that a view must be 
customised (possibly per-user), and a user *must* be able to get their correct 
view without any interaction (no mouse clicking etc.), so that this display 
can be used e.g. on a video wall, where no one is able to click the mouse. Any 
cycling of views etc. should be automated.

I have done some simple frame+js pages to do this with current hobbit (e.g. to 
cycle one frame between weathermap view and main view).
quoted from Martin Ward
If so I was going to convert to mysql
and either php or perl cgi. Any comments on this?
perl cgi script works but it is really not eye-catching.
I like to stay with perl but php community is so strong.
Catalyst is perl's MVC solution but it is weak on "View" part.
As long as your requirement doesn't need EXTJS then Catalyst a very good
solution.
There are a number of AJAX libraries that people use with Catalyst, e.g. 
Prototype, Dojo, with some plugins allowing perl-ish calls in templates that 
result in the correct javascript. In conjunction with View::JSON, everything 
required is available ...

Maybe it's time to start collecting requirements and prototyping some stuff. I 
think the first thing we need is a Model::Xymon .

Regards,
Buchan
list David Peters · Wed, 1 Jul 2009 20:17:17 +1000 ·
The code already includes an on-screen field and code that allows you to add
any extra hobbit options.
quoted from Martin Ward

-----Original Message-----
From: Ward, Martin [mailto:user-2d33a6eb6a05@xymon.invalid] 
Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2009 6:25 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.

Interest: I am certainly interested in this, especially with the asset
management additions that TJ mentioned.

Aid: I would push for PHP rather than perl although I can code in both
and am willing to help.

Nitty-gritty: However you write the code to generate the bb-hosts file
you will need to include a comments field that allows users to add extra
options to the comments field in the bb-hosts file. This is so that when
Xymon is upgraded and Henrik adds more options in that would be added to
the comments field, users can add those new options without having to
wait until you rewrite the front-end.


|\/|artin
-----Original Message-----
From: T.J. Yang [mailto:user-8e841282cda5@xymon.invalid]
Sent: 01 July 2009 06:01
To: hobbit system monitoring
Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.

To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
From: user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:18:56 +1000
Subject: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.


I think I have posted this quite a while
ago but it is still on my mind.
Not only in my mind. I got to deliver it in next few months.
We currently configure the hosts, pages
etc using a windows database and windows front end that I wrote
quite
some
time ago. I keep getting the urge to convert it to a linux database
and
a web frontend. However I would not do this if there is no interest
in
using it.
My interest about Xymon and relational DB is mainly from asset
inventory perspective.
Xymon doing a decent jobs collecting system
information(io/cpu/memory/disk). But what about a system's
asset information ? where is rack position of this machine ? what is
the serial number, owner, function ? and is it a owned orleased
machnine ? Asset information like this are most likely kept in Excel
files. Won't it be nature to tight these information together ? Xymon
should be able to do both system and inventory monitoring.(ie, you got
a red yellow alert if a machine's lease is expiring in 1 month).


To achieve this goal, I plan to introduce a relational DB into my
Xymon
server system.

Please see the details here,
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/System_Monitoring_with_Xymon/Developer_Gui
de#Using_relational_DBs_with_Xymon_Server

The point is that you never touch the
bb-hosts file and all configuration of hosts and layouts is done via
a
user interface.
Is there any interest in this?
Yes.
Is there anyone willing to help?
Count me in.
I am decent at perl programming and currently learning
php/extjs/qWikiOffice.
If so I was going to convert to mysql
and either php or perl cgi. Any comments on this?
perl cgi script works but it is really not eye-catching.
I like to stay with perl but php community is so strong.
Catalyst is perl's MVC solution but it is weak on "View" part.
As long as your requirement doesn't need EXTJS then Catalyst a very
good solution.

We have 400 odd hosts here and have
pages split by priority, service, location, and support group all on
the
front page but all configured via the database.


Currently the bb-hosts is built via
a perl script that extracts the database and then generates a main
bb-hosts
file plus include files for each sub-page.
Can you post your perl script here ? or on
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/System_Monitoring_with_Xymon/Developer_Gui
de#bb-hosts_generation


Regards


tj

David Peters


+61 2 63913565

+61 4 17863572


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list David Peters · Wed, 1 Jul 2009 20:19:24 +1000 ·
What I wrote was an asset management system with verification stages for
changes and additions, history of changes included storage of previous
versions etc.
quoted from T.J. Yang


-----Original Message-----
From: T.J. Yang [mailto:user-8e841282cda5@xymon.invalid] 
Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2009 3:01 PM
To: hobbit system monitoring
Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.

To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
From: user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:18:56 +1000
Subject: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.


I think I have posted this quite a while
ago but it is still on my mind. 
Not only in my mind. I got to deliver it in next few months.
We currently configure the hosts, pages
etc using a windows database and windows front end that I wrote quite some
time ago. I keep getting the urge to convert it to a linux database and
a web frontend. However I would not do this if there is no interest in
using it.
My interest about Xymon and relational DB is mainly from asset inventory
perspective.
Xymon doing a decent jobs collecting system information(io/cpu/memory/disk).
But what about a system's
asset information ? where is rack position of this machine ? what is the
serial number, owner, function ? and is it a owned orleased machnine ? Asset
information like this are most likely kept in Excel files. Won't it be
nature to tight these information together ? Xymon should be able to do both
system and inventory monitoring.(ie, you got a red yellow alert if a
machine's lease is expiring in 1 month).


To achieve this goal, I plan to introduce a relational DB into my Xymon
server system.

Please see the details here, 

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/System_Monitoring_with_Xymon/Developer_Guide#Us
ing_relational_DBs_with_Xymon_Server
quoted from David Peters

The point is that you never touch the
bb-hosts file and all configuration of hosts and layouts is done via a
user interface.
Is there any interest in this?
Yes.
Is there anyone willing to help?
Count me in. 
I am decent at perl programming and currently learning
php/extjs/qWikiOffice.
If so I was going to convert to mysql
and either php or perl cgi. Any comments on this?
perl cgi script works but it is really not eye-catching. 
I like to stay with perl but php community is so strong. 
Catalyst is perl's MVC solution but it is weak on "View" part.
As long as your requirement doesn't need EXTJS then Catalyst a very good
solution.

We have 400 odd hosts here and have
pages split by priority, service, location, and support group all on the
front page but all configured via the database.


Currently the bb-hosts is built via
a perl script that extracts the database and then generates a main
bb-hosts
file plus include files for each sub-page.
Can you post your perl script here ? or on 

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/System_Monitoring_with_Xymon/Developer_Guide#bb
-hosts_generation
quoted from David Peters


Regards


tj
--
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+61 4 17863572

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organisation.
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list David Peters · Wed, 1 Jul 2009 20:26:03 +1000 ·
What I have is a database front end, database and extraction script to
hobbit. The database was written from the viewpoint of storing data about
all the hosts that would end up in hobbit. It was always written to be our
hobbit data source and as such has that in mind.

The model is solid in terms of operations managing the data but provides
auditing and control.

The downside is that it is written in access because that is what the
manager wanted and I am but a lowly contractor. 

I am just a bit wary of trying to put too much into a configuration tool.

What I hate about hobbit and trying to sell it is that its host
configuration is pretty ordinary.
quoted from Buchan Milne

-----Original Message-----
From: Buchan Milne [mailto:user-9b139aff4dec@xymon.invalid] 
Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2009 6:34 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Cc: T.J. Yang
Subject: Re: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.

On Wednesday 01 July 2009 07:01:07 T.J. Yang wrote:
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
From: user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:18:56 +1000
Subject: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.


I think I have posted this quite a while
ago but it is still on my mind.
Not only in my mind. I got to deliver it in next few months.
We currently configure the hosts, pages
etc using a windows database and windows front end that I wrote quite
some time ago. I keep getting the urge to convert it to a linux database
and a web frontend. However I would not do this if there is no interest
in using it.
My interest about Xymon and relational DB is mainly from asset inventory
perspective. Xymon doing a decent jobs collecting system
information(io/cpu/memory/disk). But what about a system's asset
information ? where is rack position of this machine ? what is the serial
number, owner, function ? and is it a owned orleased machnine ? Asset
information like this are most likely kept in Excel files. Won't it be
nature to tight these information together ? Xymon should be able to do
both system and inventory monitoring.(ie, you got a red yellow alert if a
machine's lease is expiring in 1 month).


To achieve this goal, I plan to introduce a relational DB into my Xymon
server system.

Please see the details here,
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/System_Monitoring_with_Xymon/Developer_Guide#U
sing_relational_DBs_with_Xymon_Server
The point is that you never touch the
bb-hosts file and all configuration of hosts and layouts is done via a
user interface.


Is there any interest in this?
Yes.
Is there anyone willing to help?
Count me in.
I am decent at perl programming and currently learning
php/extjs/qWikiOffice.
IMHO you shouldn't be choosing solutions before you have requirements ....

While qwikioffice looks snazzy, one of my requirements is that a view must
be 
customised (possibly per-user), and a user *must* be able to get their
correct 
view without any interaction (no mouse clicking etc.), so that this display 
can be used e.g. on a video wall, where no one is able to click the mouse.
Any 
cycling of views etc. should be automated.

I have done some simple frame+js pages to do this with current hobbit (e.g.
to 
cycle one frame between weathermap view and main view).
If so I was going to convert to mysql
and either php or perl cgi. Any comments on this?
perl cgi script works but it is really not eye-catching.
I like to stay with perl but php community is so strong.
Catalyst is perl's MVC solution but it is weak on "View" part.
As long as your requirement doesn't need EXTJS then Catalyst a very good
solution.
There are a number of AJAX libraries that people use with Catalyst, e.g. 
Prototype, Dojo, with some plugins allowing perl-ish calls in templates that

result in the correct javascript. In conjunction with View::JSON, everything

required is available ...

Maybe it's time to start collecting requirements and prototyping some stuff.
I 
think the first thing we need is a Model::Xymon .

Regards,
Buchan
list Martin Ward · Wed, 1 Jul 2009 11:45:37 +0100 ·
quoted from David Peters
-----Original Message-----
From: David Peters [mailto:user-66917457e380@xymon.invalid]
Sent: 01 July 2009 11:26
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.

What I have is a database front end, database and extraction script to
hobbit. The database was written from the viewpoint of storing data
about
all the hosts that would end up in hobbit. It was always written to be
our
hobbit data source and as such has that in mind.

The model is solid in terms of operations managing the data but
provides
auditing and control.

The downside is that it is written in access because that is what the
manager wanted and I am but a lowly contractor.

I am just a bit wary of trying to put too much into a configuration
tool.
If I may suggest, just start with porting your Access database to MySQL.
You might even be able to add hooks in to MS Access to point to the
MySQL server and run your extraction scripts on the MySQL data (although
that may be more effort than it's worth, I am not skilled in Access so
don't know what effort will be involved). After you have the MySQL DB
you can convert the extraction scripts, that would probably be the
simplest task in this project.
After that it's just coding the Perl/PHP scripts to access and maintain
the database.

You could help yourself and others by putting the SQL code into a
stand-alone module, making it easier to port to other SQL servers.

KISS and do it a step at a time. Keep us informed and we will help where
we can.
quoted from David Peters
What I hate about hobbit and trying to sell it is that its host
configuration is pretty ordinary.
Yeah, but ordinary isn't necessarily bad, at least not for a couple of
dozen servers. It's only when you get to hundreds of servers that it
starts to become awkward.
quoted from David Peters


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list Paul Root · Wed, 1 Jul 2009 09:20:56 -0500 ·
That sounds pretty cool. Do you handle any other files (hobbit-alerts.cfg, etc)?

I'm not much of a db guy, but I'd say since you already have perl, I'd go that route. I've done a little php, and a lot (20 years) of perl. So I may be a bit biased.


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quoted from David Peters


From: user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid [mailto:user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid]
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 7:19 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.


I think I have posted this quite a while ago but it is still on my mind. We currently configure the hosts, pages etc using a windows database and windows front end that I wrote quite some time ago. I keep getting the urge to convert it to a linux database and a web frontend. However I would not do this if there is no interest in using it.

The point is that you never touch the bb-hosts file and all configuration of hosts and layouts is done via a user interface.

Is there any interest in this?
Is there anyone willing to help?
If so I was going to convert to mysql and either php or perl cgi. Any comments on this?

We have 400 odd hosts here and have pages split by priority, service, location, and support group all on the front page but all configured via the database.

Currently the bb-hosts is built via a perl script that extracts the database and then generates a main bb-hosts file plus include files for each sub-page.


David Peters

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list Raymond Storer · Wed, 1 Jul 2009 11:13:58 -0400 ·
This does sound cool. If you can, I'd love to see the current Windows implementation too.

Thanks.

Ray
quoted from Paul Root


From: user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid [mailto:user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid]
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 7:19 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.

I think I have posted this quite a while ago but it is still on my mind. We currently configure the hosts, pages etc using a windows database and windows front end that I wrote quite some time ago. I keep getting the urge to convert it to a linux database and a web frontend. However I would not do this if there is no interest in using it.

The point is that you never touch the bb-hosts file and all configuration of hosts and layouts is done via a user interface.

Is there any interest in this?
Is there anyone willing to help?
If so I was going to convert to mysql and either php or perl cgi. Any comments on this?

We have 400 odd hosts here and have pages split by priority, service, location, and support group all on the front page but all configured via the database.

Currently the bb-hosts is built via a perl script that extracts the database and then generates a main bb-hosts file plus include files for each sub-page.


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list Rob McBroom · Wed, 1 Jul 2009 11:44:45 -0400 ·
We store information on our systems in LDAP for a variety of reasons.

   * Many existing applications (Postfix, Puppet) can use LDAP data
   * LDAP tools are pre-installed on most systems
   * It's available in most scripting environments (Shell, Python,  PHP, Perl)
   * The data can be viewed and edited in many ways (including plain- text)
   * The data's structure is more flexible than a spreadsheet or RDBMS
   * We're going to have an LDAP server anyway (for authentication)
   * It's easy for people to read and gather information
   * It's easy for machines and automated processes to read and gather  information

And yes, much of our bb-hosts file is generated from data in LDAP. :)

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list T.J. Yang · Wed, 1 Jul 2009 11:07:40 -0500 ·
quoted from Rob McBroom
From: user-371ba9bb5b75@xymon.invalid
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 11:44:45 -0400
Subject: Re: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.

We store information on our systems in LDAP for a variety of reasons.

* Many existing applications (Postfix, Puppet) can use LDAP data
* LDAP tools are pre-installed on most systems
* It's available in most scripting environments (Shell, Python,
PHP, Perl)
* The data can be viewed and edited in many ways (including plain-
text)
* The data's structure is more flexible than a spreadsheet or RDBMS
* We're going to have an LDAP server anyway (for authentication)
* It's easy for people to read and gather information
* It's easy for machines and automated processes to read and gather
information

And yes, much of our bb-hosts file is generated from data in LDAP. :)
This reminded me one of my old prototype projects in BB era,
Storing host inventory information in iPlanet ldap server.

It is doable if you control your own ldap server. Creating a LDIF subtree in corporat root LDIF could be very difficult for not technical reasion.
 
I think Having ldap server store both Human and Machine information at one place is cool;)

also one of my requirement is to create
a cool(easy) GUI for people to update a host's information easily over the web. Currently I am fond of extjs' editor grid. it is very much like Excel's clickm,edit and update(on a real db).
Not sure if EXTJS(or Jquery alike) can work with ldap db backend. 

tj
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list Joe Sloan · Wed, 01 Jul 2009 10:45:05 -0700 ·
quoted from Raymond Storer
user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid wrote:
I think I have posted this quite a while ago but it is still on my
mind. We currently configure the hosts, pages etc using a windows
database and windows front end that I wrote quite some time ago. I
keep getting the urge to convert it to a linux database and a web
frontend. However I would not do this if there is no interest in using
it.

The point is that you never touch the bb-hosts file and all
configuration of hosts and layouts is done via a user interface.

Is there any interest in this?
Is there anyone willing to help?
If so I was going to convert to mysql and either php or perl cgi. Any
comments on this?

We have 400 odd hosts here and have pages split by priority, service,
location, and support group all on the front page but all configured
via the database.

Currently the bb-hosts is built via a perl script that extracts the
database and then generates a main bb-hosts file plus include files
for each sub-page.

I would definitely be interested in this - I have some modest experience
with the LAMP stack, and also have some LAMP servers (ubuntu and SLES)
available for testing and development.

Let me know -

Joe
list David Peters · Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:21:42 +1000 ·
ATM the db just handles bb-hosts.

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From:
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To:
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Date:
02/07/2009 12:25 AM
quoted from Joe Sloan
Subject:
RE: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.


That sounds pretty cool. Do you handle any other files (hobbit-alerts.cfg, etc)?
 I'm not much of a db guy, but I'd say since you already have perl, I'd go that route. I've done a little php, and a lot (20 years) of perl. So I may be a bit biased.   Paul Root         IM/MNS Infrastructure  
From: user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid [mailto:user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 7:19 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.


I think I have posted this quite a while ago but it is still on my mind. We currently configure the hosts, pages etc using a windows database and windows front end that I wrote quite some time ago. I keep getting the urge to convert it to a linux database and a web frontend. However I would not do this if there is no interest in using it. 
The point is that you never touch the bb-hosts file and all configuration of hosts and layouts is done via a user interface. 
Is there any interest in this? Is there anyone willing to help? If so I was going to convert to mysql and either php or perl cgi. Any comments on this? 
We have 400 odd hosts here and have pages split by priority, service, location, and support group all on the front page but all configured via the database. 
Currently the bb-hosts is built via a perl script that extracts the database and then generates a main bb-hosts file plus include files for each sub-page. 


David Peters

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list David Peters · Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:23:28 +1000 ·
I'd be happy to send the windows implementation, however it is very specific to our setup. Well the conversion script to bb-hosts is anyway. But the windows part is pretty stand alone.

I am not really looking to distribute a standalone access application. Rather I really want to convert the screens and logic to something a bit more open.

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From:
"Storer, Raymond" <user-bbaa567d59bb@xymon.invalid>
To:
"'user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid'" <user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid>
Date:
02/07/2009 01:19 AM
quoted from David Peters
Subject:
RE: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.


This does sound cool. If you can, I?d love to see the current Windows implementation too.
 Thanks.
 Ray
  
From: user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid [mailto:user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 7:19 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.

I think I have posted this quite a while ago but it is still on my mind. We currently configure the hosts, pages etc using a windows database and windows front end that I wrote quite some time ago. I keep getting the urge to convert it to a linux database and a web frontend. However I would not do this if there is no interest in using it. 
The point is that you never touch the bb-hosts file and all configuration of hosts and layouts is done via a user interface. 
Is there any interest in this? Is there anyone willing to help? If so I was going to convert to mysql and either php or perl cgi. Any comments on this? 
We have 400 odd hosts here and have pages split by priority, service, location, and support group all on the front page but all configured via the database. 
Currently the bb-hosts is built via a perl script that extracts the database and then generates a main bb-hosts file plus include files for each sub-page. 


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list David Peters · Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:27:33 +1000 ·
The beauty of having this stuff stored in a rdbms is that management reporting for inventory, replacement cycles etc is relatively easy.

I dont understand why the default option would not be to store the data in an rdbms which underlies xymon, rather than a million other options. Take MythTV for example, mysql is the underlying source of all configuration and pointer information.

I have for example had to write reports to take data out of hobbit for management reporting on outages etc. RRDTool is great for extracting the metrics, but why would you not prefer 'Select * from' in order to generate management reports for all the other information?


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From:
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To:
user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Date:
02/07/2009 03:50 AM
quoted from David Peters
Subject:
Re: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.


user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid wrote: 
I think I have posted this quite a while ago but it is still on my mind. We currently configure the hosts, pages etc using a windows database and windows front end that I wrote quite some time ago. I keep getting the urge to convert it to a linux database and a web frontend. However I would not do this if there is no interest in using it. 
The point is that you never touch the bb-hosts file and all configuration of hosts and layouts is done via a user interface. 
Is there any interest in this? Is there anyone willing to help? If so I was going to convert to mysql and either php or perl cgi. Any comments on this? 
We have 400 odd hosts here and have pages split by priority, service, location, and support group all on the front page but all configured via the database. 
Currently the bb-hosts is built via a perl script that extracts the database and then generates a main bb-hosts file plus include files for each sub-page. 

I would definitely be interested in this - I have some modest experience with the LAMP stack, and also have some LAMP servers (ubuntu and SLES) available for testing and development.

Let me know -

Joe


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list Gaetan Frenoy · Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:41:28 +0200 ·
Hello,
quoted from David Peters

David Peeters wrote:
(...) We currently configure the hosts, pages etc using a windows database and windows front end. (...) Is there any interest in this?
Having a GUI to easily populate bb-hosts and hobbit-alerts would certainly give a great push forward to Xymon.  So yes, I am 100% sure there is interest!

As a first step, I don't think we need all the neat features available in the file-based configuration, it would only be a simplified tool for sub-groups local administrators and/or users that are starting with Xymon.
quoted from T.J. Yang

T.J. Yang wrote:
a cool(easy) GUI for people to update a host's information easily over the > web. Currently I am fond of extjs' editor grid. it is very much like
Excel's clickm,edit and update(on a real db).
I made some projects with this framework (http://extjs.com) and this is indeed a very good platform.  And as of v2.1, it is licensed under the GPLv3 license.
Not sure if EXTJS(or Jquery alike) can work with ldap db backend. 
Yes it certainly can.  The front-end is using a independent "data store" that is populated on the back-end with the most suitable technology for you.

David Peeters wrote:
(...)Is there anyone willing to help?
Don't have mush time to invest in such a project but I would be very interested to be kept informed and maybe give some limited help whenever possible.
If so I was going to convert to mysql and either php or perl cgi. Any comments on this? 
Apache, MySQL, PHP and ExtJS are for sure very good choices today.

Have a great day.

-- 
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list Raymond Storer · Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:43:54 -0400 ·
Thanks, David. I'll wait for the "more open" version. *smile* I'd be happy to help too; but, I'm not much good with Perl or PHP-both are just a hobby for me.

Ray
quoted from David Peters

From: user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid [mailto:user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid]
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 7:23 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.


I'd be happy to send the windows implementation, however it is very specific to our setup. Well the conversion script to bb-hosts is anyway. But the windows part is pretty stand alone.

I am not really looking to distribute a standalone access application. Rather I really want to convert the screens and logic to something a bit more open.

David Peters

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From:

"Storer, Raymond" <user-bbaa567d59bb@xymon.invalid>

To:

"'user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid'" <user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid>

Date:

02/07/2009 01:19 AM

Subject:

RE: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.


This does sound cool. If you can, I'd love to see the current Windows implementation too.

Thanks.

Ray


From: user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid [mailto:user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid]
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 7:19 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.

I think I have posted this quite a while ago but it is still on my mind. We currently configure the hosts, pages etc using a windows database and windows front end that I wrote quite some time ago. I keep getting the urge to convert it to a linux database and a web frontend. However I would not do this if there is no interest in using it.

The point is that you never touch the bb-hosts file and all configuration of hosts and layouts is done via a user interface.

Is there any interest in this?
Is there anyone willing to help?
If so I was going to convert to mysql and either php or perl cgi. Any comments on this?

We have 400 odd hosts here and have pages split by priority, service, location, and support group all on the front page but all configured via the database.

Currently the bb-hosts is built via a perl script that extracts the database and then generates a main bb-hosts file plus include files for each sub-page.


David Peters

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list Brian Bouchard · Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:59:47 -0400 ·
I'd be interested and would be willing to help where I can.   I do some basic perl/php development with MySQL backends for my personal web sites.  I'm by no means a guru, but I would DEFINITELY be willing to help implement something like this.


-          Brian
quoted from Raymond Storer

From: user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid [mailto:user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid]
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 8:19 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.


I think I have posted this quite a while ago but it is still on my mind. We currently configure the hosts, pages etc using a windows database and windows front end that I wrote quite some time ago. I keep getting the urge to convert it to a linux database and a web frontend. However I would not do this if there is no interest in using it.

The point is that you never touch the bb-hosts file and all configuration of hosts and layouts is done via a user interface.

Is there any interest in this?
Is there anyone willing to help?
If so I was going to convert to mysql and either php or perl cgi. Any comments on this?

We have 400 odd hosts here and have pages split by priority, service, location, and support group all on the front page but all configured via the database.

Currently the bb-hosts is built via a perl script that extracts the database and then generates a main bb-hosts file plus include files for each sub-page.


David Peters

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list David Peters · Sun, 5 Jul 2009 20:43:24 +1000 ·
Okay I can't think of any easy way to do this other then just start coding
based on the current forms and logic.

I will post screenshots from the existing system and the logic up on a
website and email the link here. I will then create an svn repo and post a
test db create script with some sample data. I will leave the existing
conversion to bb-hosts alone at the moment and just post it as it is to the
repo.
quoted from David Peters


-----Original Message-----
From: David Peters [mailto:user-66917457e380@xymon.invalid] 
Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2009 8:26 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.

What I have is a database front end, database and extraction script to
hobbit. The database was written from the viewpoint of storing data about
all the hosts that would end up in hobbit. It was always written to be our
hobbit data source and as such has that in mind.

The model is solid in terms of operations managing the data but provides
auditing and control.

The downside is that it is written in access because that is what the
manager wanted and I am but a lowly contractor. 

I am just a bit wary of trying to put too much into a configuration tool.

What I hate about hobbit and trying to sell it is that its host
configuration is pretty ordinary.

-----Original Message-----
From: Buchan Milne [mailto:user-9b139aff4dec@xymon.invalid] 
Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2009 6:34 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Cc: T.J. Yang
Subject: Re: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.

On Wednesday 01 July 2009 07:01:07 T.J. Yang wrote:
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
From: user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:18:56 +1000
Subject: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.


I think I have posted this quite a while
ago but it is still on my mind.
Not only in my mind. I got to deliver it in next few months.
We currently configure the hosts, pages
etc using a windows database and windows front end that I wrote quite
some time ago. I keep getting the urge to convert it to a linux database
and a web frontend. However I would not do this if there is no interest
in using it.
My interest about Xymon and relational DB is mainly from asset inventory
perspective. Xymon doing a decent jobs collecting system
information(io/cpu/memory/disk). But what about a system's asset
information ? where is rack position of this machine ? what is the serial
number, owner, function ? and is it a owned orleased machnine ? Asset
information like this are most likely kept in Excel files. Won't it be
nature to tight these information together ? Xymon should be able to do
both system and inventory monitoring.(ie, you got a red yellow alert if a
machine's lease is expiring in 1 month).


To achieve this goal, I plan to introduce a relational DB into my Xymon
server system.

Please see the details here,
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/System_Monitoring_with_Xymon/Developer_Guide#U
sing_relational_DBs_with_Xymon_Server
The point is that you never touch the
bb-hosts file and all configuration of hosts and layouts is done via a
user interface.


Is there any interest in this?
Yes.
Is there anyone willing to help?
Count me in.
I am decent at perl programming and currently learning
php/extjs/qWikiOffice.
IMHO you shouldn't be choosing solutions before you have requirements ....

While qwikioffice looks snazzy, one of my requirements is that a view must
be 
customised (possibly per-user), and a user *must* be able to get their
correct 
view without any interaction (no mouse clicking etc.), so that this display 
can be used e.g. on a video wall, where no one is able to click the mouse.
Any 
cycling of views etc. should be automated.

I have done some simple frame+js pages to do this with current hobbit (e.g.
to 
cycle one frame between weathermap view and main view).
If so I was going to convert to mysql
and either php or perl cgi. Any comments on this?
perl cgi script works but it is really not eye-catching.
I like to stay with perl but php community is so strong.
Catalyst is perl's MVC solution but it is weak on "View" part.
As long as your requirement doesn't need EXTJS then Catalyst a very good
solution.
There are a number of AJAX libraries that people use with Catalyst, e.g. 
Prototype, Dojo, with some plugins allowing perl-ish calls in templates that

result in the correct javascript. In conjunction with View::JSON, everything

required is available ...

Maybe it's time to start collecting requirements and prototyping some stuff.
I 
think the first thing we need is a Model::Xymon .

Regards,
Buchan
list David Peters · Tue, 7 Jul 2009 15:59:39 +1000 ·
Well I have the database schema created in mysql now. I should be close to
getting enough together to upload to the sourceforge server very soon now.
Then anyone who wants to help can join in. Have been sick for the last
coupla days (couch cough....)
quoted from Brian Bouchard

 
From: user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid [mailto:user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid] 
Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2009 10:19 AM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.

 
I think I have posted this quite a while ago but it is still on my mind. We
currently configure the hosts, pages etc using a windows database and
windows front end that I wrote quite some time ago. I keep getting the urge
to convert it to a linux database and a web frontend. However I would not do
this if there is no interest in using it. 

The point is that you never touch the bb-hosts file and all configuration of
hosts and layouts is done via a user interface. 

Is there any interest in this? 
Is there anyone willing to help? 
If so I was going to convert to mysql and either php or perl cgi. Any
comments on this? 

We have 400 odd hosts here and have pages split by priority, service,
location, and support group all on the front page but all configured via the
database. 

Currently the bb-hosts is built via a perl script that extracts the database
and then generates a main bb-hosts file plus include files for each
sub-page. 


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list Steve Holmes · Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:42:51 -0400 ·
I'll help as much as I have time for. I am experienced with php and mysql.
Learning web dev (I'm really a Solaris sysadmin, though :-). I'll watch for
info on your posting. I've been away from the list for a while and I'm just
catching up today.
Steve.
quoted from David Peters


On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 1:59 AM, David Peters <user-66917457e380@xymon.invalid> wrote:
 Well I have the database schema created in mysql now. I should be close
to getting enough together to upload to the sourceforge server very soon
now. Then anyone who wants to help can join in. Have been sick for the last
coupla days (couch cough....)


*From:* user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid [mailto:user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid]
*Sent:* Wednesday, 1 July 2009 10:19 AM
*To:* user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
*Subject:* [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.


I think I have posted this quite a while ago but it is still on my mind. We
currently configure the hosts, pages etc using a windows database and
windows front end that I wrote quite some time ago. I keep getting the urge
to convert it to a linux database and a web frontend. However I would not do
this if there is no interest in using it.

The point is that you never touch the bb-hosts file and all configuration
of hosts and layouts is done via a user interface.

Is there any interest in this?
Is there anyone willing to help?
If so I was going to convert to mysql and either php or perl cgi. Any
comments on this?

We have 400 odd hosts here and have pages split by priority, service,
location, and support group all on the front page but all configured via the
database.

Currently the bb-hosts is built via a perl script that extracts the
database and then generates a main bb-hosts file plus include files for each
sub-page.


David Peters

+61 2 63913565
+61 4 17863572


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list T.J. Yang · Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:01:08 -0500 ·
quoted from Steve Holmes
From: user-5425c7b245e1@xymon.invalid
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:42:51 -0400
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.

I'll help as much as I have time for. I am experienced with php and mysql. Learning web dev (I'm really a Solaris sysadmin, though :-).
Being a Solaris admin can help too ;) 
Hint, Sun's webstack for SAMP. 


tj
quoted from Steve Holmes
I'll watch for info on your posting. I've been away from the list for a while and I'm just catching up today.


Steve.


On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 1:59 AM, David Peters wrote:


Well I have the database schema created in
mysql now. I should be close to getting enough together to upload to the
sourceforge server very soon now. Then anyone who wants to help can join in.
Have been sick for the last coupla days (couch cough....)


From: user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid
[mailto:user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid]

Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2009 10:19
AM

To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid

Subject: [hobbit] Xymon hosts
database.


I think I have posted this quite a while ago but it is
still on my mind. We currently configure the hosts, pages etc using a windows
database and windows front end that I wrote quite some time ago. I keep getting
the urge to convert it to a linux database and a web frontend. However I would
not do this if there is no interest in using it.


The
point is that you never touch the bb-hosts file and all configuration of hosts
and layouts is done via a user interface.


Is
there any interest in this?

Is
there anyone willing to help?

If
so I was going to convert to mysql and either php or perl cgi. Any comments on
this?


We
have 400 odd hosts here and have pages split by priority, service, location,
and support group all on the front page but all configured via the database.


Currently
the bb-hosts is built via a perl script that extracts the database and then
generates a main bb-hosts file plus include files for each sub-page.


David Peters


+61 2 63913565

+61 4 17863572


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list David Peters · Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:21:12 +1000 ·
I have decided to use mysql and php. I have an initial host page design up and running although the code is automatically generated from a form generator at the moment.


David Peters

+61 2 63913565
+61 4 17863572


From:
"T.J. Yang" <user-8e841282cda5@xymon.invalid>
To:
hobbit system monitoring <user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid>
Date:
10/07/2009 05:06 AM
quoted from T.J. Yang
Subject:
RE: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.

From: user-5425c7b245e1@xymon.invalid
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:42:51 -0400
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.

I'll help as much as I have time for. I am experienced with php and 
mysql. Learning web dev (I'm really a Solaris sysadmin, though :-).
Being a Solaris admin can help too ;) Hint, Sun's webstack for SAMP. 

tj
I'll watch for info on your posting. I've been away from the list for a 
while and I'm just catching up today.


Steve.


On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 1:59 AM, David Peters wrote:


Well I have the database schema created in
mysql now. I should be close to getting enough together to upload to the
sourceforge server very soon now. Then anyone who wants to help can join 
in.
Have been sick for the last coupla days (couch cough....)


From: user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid
[mailto:user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid]

Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2009 10:19
AM

To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid

Subject: [hobbit] Xymon hosts
database.


I think I have posted this quite a while ago but it is
still on my mind. We currently configure the hosts, pages etc using a 
windows
database and windows front end that I wrote quite some time ago. I keep 
getting
the urge to convert it to a linux database and a web frontend. However I 
would
not do this if there is no interest in using it.


The
point is that you never touch the bb-hosts file and all configuration of 
hosts
and layouts is done via a user interface.


Is
there any interest in this?

Is
there anyone willing to help?

If
so I was going to convert to mysql and either php or perl cgi. Any 
comments on
this?


We
have 400 odd hosts here and have pages split by priority, service, 
location,
and support group all on the front page but all configured via the 
database.


Currently
the bb-hosts is built via a perl script that extracts the database and 
then
generates a main bb-hosts file plus include files for each sub-page.


David Peters


+61 2 63913565

+61 4 17863572


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Truth never damages a cause that is just. -Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi 
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list David Peters · Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:12:14 +1000 ·
Still sick. Something should get put up soon.

David Peters

+61 2 63913565
+61 4 17863572


From:
user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid
To:
user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Date:
10/07/2009 09:25 AM
quoted from David Peters
Subject:
RE: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.


I have decided to use mysql and php. I have an initial host page design up and running although the code is automatically generated from a form generator at the moment. 

David Peters

+61 2 63913565
+61 4 17863572


From: "T.J. Yang" <user-8e841282cda5@xymon.invalid> To: hobbit system monitoring <user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid> Date: 10/07/2009 05:06 AM Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.

From: user-5425c7b245e1@xymon.invalid
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:42:51 -0400
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.

I'll help as much as I have time for. I am experienced with php and 
mysql. Learning web dev (I'm really a Solaris sysadmin, though :-).
Being a Solaris admin can help too ;) Hint, Sun's webstack for SAMP. 

tj
I'll watch for info on your posting. I've been away from the list for a 
while and I'm just catching up today.


Steve.


On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 1:59 AM, David Peters wrote:


Well I have the database schema created in
mysql now. I should be close to getting enough together to upload to the
sourceforge server very soon now. Then anyone who wants to help can join 
in.
Have been sick for the last coupla days (couch cough....)


From: user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid
[mailto:user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid]

Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2009 10:19
AM

To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid

Subject: [hobbit] Xymon hosts
database.


I think I have posted this quite a while ago but it is
still on my mind. We currently configure the hosts, pages etc using a 
windows
database and windows front end that I wrote quite some time ago. I keep 
getting
the urge to convert it to a linux database and a web frontend. However I 
would
not do this if there is no interest in using it.


The
point is that you never touch the bb-hosts file and all configuration of 
hosts
and layouts is done via a user interface.


Is
there any interest in this?

Is
there anyone willing to help?

If
so I was going to convert to mysql and either php or perl cgi. Any 
comments on
this?


We
have 400 odd hosts here and have pages split by priority, service, 
location,
and support group all on the front page but all configured via the 
database.


Currently
the bb-hosts is built via a perl script that extracts the database and 
then
generates a main bb-hosts file plus include files for each sub-page.


David Peters


+61 2 63913565

+61 4 17863572


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confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of their organisation.


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pierce the clouds? Lay first the foundation of humility. -St. Augustine (354-430)

Truth never damages a cause that is just. -Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi 
(1869-1948)
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list T.J. Yang · Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:08:57 -0500 ·
quoted from David Peters
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
From: user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:12:14 +1000
Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.


Still sick. Something should get put
up soon.
Hey, David

I am currently using SCM software(RCS) to manage bb-hosts and other configuration files.
Do you know if there is a way to implement rollback of change operations on bb-hosts* files in MySQL/PHP ?

This is my only concern for switching to MySQLTABLE_TO_BBHOST type of architecture.


I created this URL, trying to capture this email threads into formal doc.
Please document your work there if you can/interested.

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/System_Monitoring_with_Xymon/Developer_Guide#Using_relational_DBs_with_Xymon_Server

Did you check out qWikiOffice since you are a PHP person ? 
I am dreaming(since I know little php currently) to port qWikiOffice or TomatoCart's admin tool to xymon server. 


Please take care, I need your php skill to help/work on xymon dashboard.
quoted from David Peters

tj

David Peters


+61 2 63913565

+61 4 17863572


From:
user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid

To:
user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid

Date:
10/07/2009 09:25 AM

Subject:
RE: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.


I have decided to use mysql and php. I have an initial host page design
up and running although the code is automatically generated from a form
generator at the moment.


David Peters


+61 2 63913565

+61 4 17863572


From:

"T.J. Yang"


To:

hobbit system monitoring
quoted from David Peters


Date:

10/07/2009 05:06 AM


Subject:

RE: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.

From: user-5425c7b245e1@xymon.invalid
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:42:51 -0400
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.
I'll help as much as I have time for. I am experienced with php and
mysql. Learning web dev (I'm really a Solaris sysadmin, though :-).

Being a Solaris admin can help too ;)

Hint, Sun's webstack for SAMP.


tj
I'll watch for info on your posting. I've been away from the list
for a while and I'm just catching up today.
Steve.
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 1:59 AM, David Peters wrote:
Well I have the database schema created in
mysql now. I should be close to getting enough together to upload
to the
sourceforge server very soon now. Then anyone who wants to help can
join in.
Have been sick for the last coupla days (couch cough....)
From: user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid
[mailto:user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid]
Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2009 10:19
AM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: [hobbit] Xymon hosts
database.
I think I have posted this quite a while ago but it is
still on my mind. We currently configure the hosts, pages etc using
a windows
database and windows front end that I wrote quite some time ago. I
keep getting
the urge to convert it to a linux database and a web frontend. However
I would
not do this if there is no interest in using it.
The
point is that you never touch the bb-hosts file and all configuration
of hosts
and layouts is done via a user interface.
Is
there any interest in this?
Is
there anyone willing to help?
If
so I was going to convert to mysql and either php or perl cgi. Any
comments on
this?
We
have 400 odd hosts here and have pages split by priority, service,
location,
and support group all on the front page but all configured via the
database.
Currently
the bb-hosts is built via a perl script that extracts the database
and then
generates a main bb-hosts file plus include files for each sub-page.
David Peters
+61 2 63913565
+61 4 17863572
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information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and
notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual
sender, and are not necessarily the views of their organisation.
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Do you wish to rise? Begin by descending. You plan a tower that will
pierce the clouds? Lay first the foundation of humility. -St. Augustine
(354-430)
Truth never damages a cause that is just. -Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
(1869-1948)
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list David Peters · Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:30:59 +1000 ·
The application we currently use and the porting I am looking to do, saves 
a copy of any record when it is changed so that you can go back to a 
previous version. It stores info about the change etc.
quoted from T.J. Yang

David Peters

+61 2 63913565
+61 4 17863572


From:
"T.J. Yang" <user-8e841282cda5@xymon.invalid>
To:
hobbit system monitoring <user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid>
Date:

14/07/2009 11:15 AM
quoted from T.J. Yang
Subject:
RE: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.

To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
From: user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:12:14 +1000
Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.


Still sick. Something should get put
up soon.
Hey, David

I am currently using SCM software(RCS) to manage bb-hosts and other 
configuration files.
Do you know if there is a way to implement rollback of change operations 
on bb-hosts* files in MySQL/PHP ?

This is my only concern for switching to MySQLTABLE_TO_BBHOST type of 
architecture.


I created this URL, trying to capture this email threads into formal doc.
Please document your work there if you can/interested.

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/System_Monitoring_with_Xymon/Developer_Guide#Using_relational_DBs_with_Xymon_Server


Did you check out qWikiOffice since you are a PHP person ? 
I am dreaming(since I know little php currently) to port qWikiOffice or 
TomatoCart's admin tool to xymon server. 


Please take care, I need your php skill to help/work on xymon dashboard.

tj

David Peters


+61 2 63913565

+61 4 17863572


From:
user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid

To:
user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid

Date:
10/07/2009 09:25 AM

Subject:
RE: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.


I have decided to use mysql and php. I have an initial host page design
up and running although the code is automatically generated from a form
generator at the moment.


David Peters


+61 2 63913565

+61 4 17863572


From:

"T.J. Yang"


To:

hobbit system monitoring


Date:

10/07/2009 05:06 AM


Subject:

RE: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.

From: user-5425c7b245e1@xymon.invalid
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 14:42:51 -0400
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.
I'll help as much as I have time for. I am experienced with php and
mysql. Learning web dev (I'm really a Solaris sysadmin, though :-).

Being a Solaris admin can help too ;)

Hint, Sun's webstack for SAMP.


tj
I'll watch for info on your posting. I've been away from the list
for a while and I'm just catching up today.
Steve.
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 1:59 AM, David Peters wrote:
Well I have the database schema created in
mysql now. I should be close to getting enough together to upload
to the
sourceforge server very soon now. Then anyone who wants to help can
join in.
Have been sick for the last coupla days (couch cough....)
From: user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid
[mailto:user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid]
Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2009 10:19
AM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: [hobbit] Xymon hosts
database.
I think I have posted this quite a while ago but it is
still on my mind. We currently configure the hosts, pages etc using
a windows
database and windows front end that I wrote quite some time ago. I
keep getting
the urge to convert it to a linux database and a web frontend. However
I would
not do this if there is no interest in using it.
The
point is that you never touch the bb-hosts file and all configuration
of hosts
and layouts is done via a user interface.
Is
there any interest in this?
Is
there anyone willing to help?
If
so I was going to convert to mysql and either php or perl cgi. Any
comments on
this?
We
have 400 odd hosts here and have pages split by priority, service,
location,
and support group all on the front page but all configured via the
database.
Currently
the bb-hosts is built via a perl script that extracts the database
and then
generates a main bb-hosts file plus include files for each sub-page.
David Peters
+61 2 63913565
+61 4 17863572
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pierce the clouds? Lay first the foundation of humility. -St. Augustine
(354-430)
Truth never damages a cause that is just. -Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
(1869-1948)
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list David Peters · Tue, 6 Oct 2009 19:24:52 +1100 ·
Back again. I have now coded the search and host screen functions based on
the schema of the original database.

Still a couple of lookup fields and host fields to go, however, I was
looking for some feedback on the existing state.

The code to convert the database into bb-hosts including laid out by
host-owner, location, application service etc has already been completed but
I am not quite at the stage to run the existing dataset and blow away my
current hobbit bb-hosts.

You can view a mockup db running here.
http://www.electronf.com/xymondb/xymondb.pl
The screens are ready for update delete but I am finalizing the change audit
management functions atm.


I also added some code that generates a graphical tree structure based on
the layout of hobbit pages that gets generated from the db.

You can view that here:
http://www.electronf.com/xymondb/xymondb.pl


Feedback please.
quoted from David Peters


-----Original Message-----
From: David Peters [mailto:user-66917457e380@xymon.invalid] 
Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2009 8:17 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.

The code already includes an on-screen field and code that allows you to add
any extra hobbit options.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ward, Martin [mailto:user-2d33a6eb6a05@xymon.invalid] 
Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2009 6:25 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.

Interest: I am certainly interested in this, especially with the asset
management additions that TJ mentioned.

Aid: I would push for PHP rather than perl although I can code in both
and am willing to help.

Nitty-gritty: However you write the code to generate the bb-hosts file
you will need to include a comments field that allows users to add extra
options to the comments field in the bb-hosts file. This is so that when
Xymon is upgraded and Henrik adds more options in that would be added to
the comments field, users can add those new options without having to
wait until you rewrite the front-end.


|\/|artin
-----Original Message-----
From: T.J. Yang [mailto:user-8e841282cda5@xymon.invalid]
Sent: 01 July 2009 06:01
To: hobbit system monitoring
Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.

To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
From: user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:18:56 +1000
Subject: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.


I think I have posted this quite a while
ago but it is still on my mind.
Not only in my mind. I got to deliver it in next few months.
We currently configure the hosts, pages
etc using a windows database and windows front end that I wrote
quite
some
time ago. I keep getting the urge to convert it to a linux database
and
a web frontend. However I would not do this if there is no interest
in
using it.
My interest about Xymon and relational DB is mainly from asset
inventory perspective.
Xymon doing a decent jobs collecting system
information(io/cpu/memory/disk). But what about a system's
asset information ? where is rack position of this machine ? what is
the serial number, owner, function ? and is it a owned orleased
machnine ? Asset information like this are most likely kept in Excel
files. Won't it be nature to tight these information together ? Xymon
should be able to do both system and inventory monitoring.(ie, you got
a red yellow alert if a machine's lease is expiring in 1 month).


To achieve this goal, I plan to introduce a relational DB into my
Xymon
server system.

Please see the details here,
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/System_Monitoring_with_Xymon/Developer_Gui
de#Using_relational_DBs_with_Xymon_Server

The point is that you never touch the
bb-hosts file and all configuration of hosts and layouts is done via
a
user interface.
Is there any interest in this?
Yes.
Is there anyone willing to help?
Count me in.
I am decent at perl programming and currently learning
php/extjs/qWikiOffice.
If so I was going to convert to mysql
and either php or perl cgi. Any comments on this?
perl cgi script works but it is really not eye-catching.
I like to stay with perl but php community is so strong.
Catalyst is perl's MVC solution but it is weak on "View" part.
As long as your requirement doesn't need EXTJS then Catalyst a very
good solution.

We have 400 odd hosts here and have
pages split by priority, service, location, and support group all on
the
front page but all configured via the database.


Currently the bb-hosts is built via
a perl script that extracts the database and then generates a main
bb-hosts
file plus include files for each sub-page.
Can you post your perl script here ? or on
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/System_Monitoring_with_Xymon/Developer_Gui
de#bb-hosts_generation


Regards


tj

David Peters


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list David Peters · Tue, 6 Oct 2009 20:04:21 +1100 ·
Oops those links were:

The main search screen:

http://www.electronf.com/xymondb/xymondb.pl

and the graphical tree was:

http://www.electronf.com/xymondb/xymondb.pl?rm=bbhosts
quoted from David Peters


-----Original Message-----
From: David Peters [mailto:user-66917457e380@xymon.invalid] 
Sent: Tuesday, 6 October 2009 7:25 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.

Back again. I have now coded the search and host screen functions based on
the schema of the original database.

Still a couple of lookup fields and host fields to go, however, I was
looking for some feedback on the existing state.

The code to convert the database into bb-hosts including laid out by
host-owner, location, application service etc has already been completed but
I am not quite at the stage to run the existing dataset and blow away my
current hobbit bb-hosts.

You can view a mockup db running here.
http://www.electronf.com/xymondb/xymondb.pl
The screens are ready for update delete but I am finalizing the change audit
management functions atm.


I also added some code that generates a graphical tree structure based on
the layout of hobbit pages that gets generated from the db.

You can view that here:
http://www.electronf.com/xymondb/xymondb.pl


Feedback please.


-----Original Message-----
From: David Peters [mailto:user-66917457e380@xymon.invalid] 
Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2009 8:17 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.

The code already includes an on-screen field and code that allows you to add
any extra hobbit options.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ward, Martin [mailto:user-2d33a6eb6a05@xymon.invalid] 
Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2009 6:25 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.

Interest: I am certainly interested in this, especially with the asset
management additions that TJ mentioned.

Aid: I would push for PHP rather than perl although I can code in both
and am willing to help.

Nitty-gritty: However you write the code to generate the bb-hosts file
you will need to include a comments field that allows users to add extra
options to the comments field in the bb-hosts file. This is so that when
Xymon is upgraded and Henrik adds more options in that would be added to
the comments field, users can add those new options without having to
wait until you rewrite the front-end.


|\/|artin
-----Original Message-----
From: T.J. Yang [mailto:user-8e841282cda5@xymon.invalid]
Sent: 01 July 2009 06:01
To: hobbit system monitoring
Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.

To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
From: user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:18:56 +1000
Subject: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.


I think I have posted this quite a while
ago but it is still on my mind.
Not only in my mind. I got to deliver it in next few months.
We currently configure the hosts, pages
etc using a windows database and windows front end that I wrote
quite
some
time ago. I keep getting the urge to convert it to a linux database
and
a web frontend. However I would not do this if there is no interest
in
using it.
My interest about Xymon and relational DB is mainly from asset
inventory perspective.
Xymon doing a decent jobs collecting system
information(io/cpu/memory/disk). But what about a system's
asset information ? where is rack position of this machine ? what is
the serial number, owner, function ? and is it a owned orleased
machnine ? Asset information like this are most likely kept in Excel
files. Won't it be nature to tight these information together ? Xymon
should be able to do both system and inventory monitoring.(ie, you got
a red yellow alert if a machine's lease is expiring in 1 month).


To achieve this goal, I plan to introduce a relational DB into my
Xymon
server system.

Please see the details here,
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/System_Monitoring_with_Xymon/Developer_Gui
de#Using_relational_DBs_with_Xymon_Server

The point is that you never touch the
bb-hosts file and all configuration of hosts and layouts is done via
a
user interface.
Is there any interest in this?
Yes.
Is there anyone willing to help?
Count me in.
I am decent at perl programming and currently learning
php/extjs/qWikiOffice.
If so I was going to convert to mysql
and either php or perl cgi. Any comments on this?
perl cgi script works but it is really not eye-catching.
I like to stay with perl but php community is so strong.
Catalyst is perl's MVC solution but it is weak on "View" part.
As long as your requirement doesn't need EXTJS then Catalyst a very
good solution.

We have 400 odd hosts here and have
pages split by priority, service, location, and support group all on
the
front page but all configured via the database.


Currently the bb-hosts is built via
a perl script that extracts the database and then generates a main
bb-hosts
file plus include files for each sub-page.
Can you post your perl script here ? or on
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/System_Monitoring_with_Xymon/Developer_Gui
de#bb-hosts_generation


Regards


tj

David Peters


+61 2 63913565

+61 4 17863572


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list David Peters · Tue, 6 Oct 2009 21:27:44 +1100 ·
Sorry there was a problem with my web server and the graphical tree. Is
fixed now.
quoted from David Peters


-----Original Message-----
From: David Peters [mailto:user-66917457e380@xymon.invalid] 
Sent: Tuesday, 6 October 2009 8:04 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.

Oops those links were:

The main search screen:

http://www.electronf.com/xymondb/xymondb.pl

and the graphical tree was:

http://www.electronf.com/xymondb/xymondb.pl?rm=bbhosts


-----Original Message-----
From: David Peters [mailto:user-66917457e380@xymon.invalid] 
Sent: Tuesday, 6 October 2009 7:25 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.

Back again. I have now coded the search and host screen functions based on
the schema of the original database.

Still a couple of lookup fields and host fields to go, however, I was
looking for some feedback on the existing state.

The code to convert the database into bb-hosts including laid out by
host-owner, location, application service etc has already been completed but
I am not quite at the stage to run the existing dataset and blow away my
current hobbit bb-hosts.

You can view a mockup db running here.
http://www.electronf.com/xymondb/xymondb.pl
The screens are ready for update delete but I am finalizing the change audit
management functions atm.


I also added some code that generates a graphical tree structure based on
the layout of hobbit pages that gets generated from the db.

You can view that here:
http://www.electronf.com/xymondb/xymondb.pl


Feedback please.


-----Original Message-----
From: David Peters [mailto:user-66917457e380@xymon.invalid] 
Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2009 8:17 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.

The code already includes an on-screen field and code that allows you to add
any extra hobbit options.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ward, Martin [mailto:user-2d33a6eb6a05@xymon.invalid] 
Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2009 6:25 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.

Interest: I am certainly interested in this, especially with the asset
management additions that TJ mentioned.

Aid: I would push for PHP rather than perl although I can code in both
and am willing to help.

Nitty-gritty: However you write the code to generate the bb-hosts file
you will need to include a comments field that allows users to add extra
options to the comments field in the bb-hosts file. This is so that when
Xymon is upgraded and Henrik adds more options in that would be added to
the comments field, users can add those new options without having to
wait until you rewrite the front-end.


|\/|artin
-----Original Message-----
From: T.J. Yang [mailto:user-8e841282cda5@xymon.invalid]
Sent: 01 July 2009 06:01
To: hobbit system monitoring
Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.

To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
From: user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:18:56 +1000
Subject: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.


I think I have posted this quite a while
ago but it is still on my mind.
Not only in my mind. I got to deliver it in next few months.
We currently configure the hosts, pages
etc using a windows database and windows front end that I wrote
quite
some
time ago. I keep getting the urge to convert it to a linux database
and
a web frontend. However I would not do this if there is no interest
in
using it.
My interest about Xymon and relational DB is mainly from asset
inventory perspective.
Xymon doing a decent jobs collecting system
information(io/cpu/memory/disk). But what about a system's
asset information ? where is rack position of this machine ? what is
the serial number, owner, function ? and is it a owned orleased
machnine ? Asset information like this are most likely kept in Excel
files. Won't it be nature to tight these information together ? Xymon
should be able to do both system and inventory monitoring.(ie, you got
a red yellow alert if a machine's lease is expiring in 1 month).


To achieve this goal, I plan to introduce a relational DB into my
Xymon
server system.

Please see the details here,
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/System_Monitoring_with_Xymon/Developer_Gui
de#Using_relational_DBs_with_Xymon_Server

The point is that you never touch the
bb-hosts file and all configuration of hosts and layouts is done via
a
user interface.
Is there any interest in this?
Yes.
Is there anyone willing to help?
Count me in.
I am decent at perl programming and currently learning
php/extjs/qWikiOffice.
If so I was going to convert to mysql
and either php or perl cgi. Any comments on this?
perl cgi script works but it is really not eye-catching.
I like to stay with perl but php community is so strong.
Catalyst is perl's MVC solution but it is weak on "View" part.
As long as your requirement doesn't need EXTJS then Catalyst a very
good solution.

We have 400 odd hosts here and have
pages split by priority, service, location, and support group all on
the
front page but all configured via the database.


Currently the bb-hosts is built via
a perl script that extracts the database and then generates a main
bb-hosts
file plus include files for each sub-page.
Can you post your perl script here ? or on
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/System_Monitoring_with_Xymon/Developer_Gui
de#bb-hosts_generation


Regards


tj

David Peters


+61 2 63913565

+61 4 17863572


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please
delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are
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Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that's right for you.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290

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list Craig Cook · Tue, 6 Oct 2009 09:19:11 -0400 ·
Looks good.

Do you have plans to introduce the "template" and/or "group" concept?

e.g.  I have a template called "Windows"  Apply it to my windows servers, they get defaults applied for thresholds.  Eg. Cpu is set to 80% warning, disk is set to 75% full, certain services are checked, etc.

Another template called "Apache"  It gets process checks for http added to the host...

My host called win-apache.example.com gets 2 templates applied to it.  You can also override default settings for each host.

Concepts from bbconfigure on deadcat ;)  Makes large scale management much easier.

Craig
list Martin Flemming · Tue, 6 Oct 2009 15:46:27 +0200 (CEST) ·
For me, it looks like a great show ! ;-)

martin
quoted from David Peters

On Tue, 6 Oct 2009, David Peters wrote:
Sorry there was a problem with my web server and the graphical tree. Is
fixed now.


-----Original Message-----
From: David Peters [mailto:user-66917457e380@xymon.invalid]
Sent: Tuesday, 6 October 2009 8:04 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.

Oops those links were:

The main search screen:

http://www.electronf.com/xymondb/xymondb.pl

and the graphical tree was:

http://www.electronf.com/xymondb/xymondb.pl?rm=bbhosts


-----Original Message-----
From: David Peters [mailto:user-66917457e380@xymon.invalid]
Sent: Tuesday, 6 October 2009 7:25 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.

Back again. I have now coded the search and host screen functions based on
the schema of the original database.

Still a couple of lookup fields and host fields to go, however, I was
looking for some feedback on the existing state.

The code to convert the database into bb-hosts including laid out by
host-owner, location, application service etc has already been completed but
I am not quite at the stage to run the existing dataset and blow away my
current hobbit bb-hosts.

You can view a mockup db running here.
http://www.electronf.com/xymondb/xymondb.pl
The screens are ready for update delete but I am finalizing the change audit
management functions atm.


I also added some code that generates a graphical tree structure based on
the layout of hobbit pages that gets generated from the db.

You can view that here:
http://www.electronf.com/xymondb/xymondb.pl


Feedback please.


-----Original Message-----
From: David Peters [mailto:user-66917457e380@xymon.invalid]
Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2009 8:17 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.

The code already includes an on-screen field and code that allows you to add
any extra hobbit options.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ward, Martin [mailto:user-2d33a6eb6a05@xymon.invalid]
Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2009 6:25 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.

Interest: I am certainly interested in this, especially with the asset
management additions that TJ mentioned.

Aid: I would push for PHP rather than perl although I can code in both
and am willing to help.

Nitty-gritty: However you write the code to generate the bb-hosts file
you will need to include a comments field that allows users to add extra
options to the comments field in the bb-hosts file. This is so that when
Xymon is upgraded and Henrik adds more options in that would be added to
the comments field, users can add those new options without having to
wait until you rewrite the front-end.


|\/|artin
-----Original Message-----
From: T.J. Yang [mailto:user-8e841282cda5@xymon.invalid]
Sent: 01 July 2009 06:01
To: hobbit system monitoring
Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.

To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
From: user-762f8f482193@xymon.invalid
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:18:56 +1000
Subject: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.


I think I have posted this quite a while
ago but it is still on my mind.
Not only in my mind. I got to deliver it in next few months.
We currently configure the hosts, pages
etc using a windows database and windows front end that I wrote
quite
some
time ago. I keep getting the urge to convert it to a linux database
and
a web frontend. However I would not do this if there is no interest
in
using it.
My interest about Xymon and relational DB is mainly from asset
inventory perspective.
Xymon doing a decent jobs collecting system
information(io/cpu/memory/disk). But what about a system's
asset information ? where is rack position of this machine ? what is
the serial number, owner, function ? and is it a owned orleased
machnine ? Asset information like this are most likely kept in Excel
files. Won't it be nature to tight these information together ? Xymon
should be able to do both system and inventory monitoring.(ie, you got
a red yellow alert if a machine's lease is expiring in 1 month).


To achieve this goal, I plan to introduce a relational DB into my
Xymon
server system.

Please see the details here,
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/System_Monitoring_with_Xymon/Developer_Gui
de#Using_relational_DBs_with_Xymon_Server

The point is that you never touch the
bb-hosts file and all configuration of hosts and layouts is done via
a
user interface.
Is there any interest in this?
Yes.
Is there anyone willing to help?
Count me in.
I am decent at perl programming and currently learning
php/extjs/qWikiOffice.
If so I was going to convert to mysql
and either php or perl cgi. Any comments on this?
perl cgi script works but it is really not eye-catching.
I like to stay with perl but php community is so strong.
Catalyst is perl's MVC solution but it is weak on "View" part.
As long as your requirement doesn't need EXTJS then Catalyst a very
good solution.

We have 400 odd hosts here and have
pages split by priority, service, location, and support group all on
the
front page but all configured via the database.


Currently the bb-hosts is built via
a perl script that extracts the database and then generates a main
bb-hosts
file plus include files for each sub-page.
Can you post your perl script here ? or on
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/System_Monitoring_with_Xymon/Developer_Gui
de#bb-hosts_generation


Regards


tj

David Peters


+61 2 63913565

+61 4 17863572


This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain
confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient,
please
delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are
those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of
their organisation.
Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that's right for you.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290

****************************************************************************
*********
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retaining any copies.

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responsibility for this message, its contents nor responsibility for any
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its subsidiaries or affiliates ("COLT") and any other party by email
Communications unless expressly agreed in writing with such other party.

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list David Peters · Wed, 7 Oct 2009 07:25:39 +1100 ·
Sounds good. Already have the option to clone a server as new so will be a
small change.
quoted from Craig Cook

 
From: Craig Cook [mailto:user-850f03189cf7@xymon.invalid] 
Sent: Wednesday, 7 October 2009 12:19 AM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: RE: [hobbit] Xymon hosts database.

 
Looks good.

 
Do you have plans to introduce the "template" and/or "group" concept?

 
e.g.  I have a template called "Windows"  Apply it to my windows servers,
they get defaults applied for thresholds.  Eg. Cpu is set to 80% warning,
disk is set to 75% full, certain services are checked, etc.

 
Another template called "Apache"  It gets process checks for http added to
the host.

 
My host called win-apache.example.com gets 2 templates applied to it.  You
can also override default settings for each host.

 
Concepts from bbconfigure on deadcat ;)  Makes large scale management much
easier.

 
Craig