bbtest shows long DNS runtime, why
list Thorsten Erdmann
Hi I am running hobbit against 40 clients. Two of these clients are our DNS servers. Only on these two clients I have enabled the DNS test by adding the DNS keyword to their bb-hosts line. I wanted to check the function of the DNS servers If I look at the statistics of bbtest it looks like this: Fri Sep 12 15:26:08 2008 bbtest-net version 4.2.0 SSL library : OpenSSL 0.9.7a Feb 19 2003 LDAP library: OpenLDAP 20213 Statistics: Hosts total : 41 Hosts with no tests : 1 Total test count : 44 Status messages : 45 Alert status msgs : 0 Transmissions : 2 DNS statistics: # hostnames resolved : 40 # succesful : 40 # failed : 0 # calls to dnsresolve : 44 TCP test statistics: # TCP tests total : 2 # HTTP tests : 1 # Simple TCP tests : 1 # Connection attempts : 2 # bytes written : 126 # bytes read : 871 TIME SPENT Event Starttime Duration bbtest-net startup 1221225968.275331 - Service definitions loaded 1221225968.276931 0.001600 Tests loaded 1221225968.281365 0.004434 DNS lookups completed 1221225973.283037 5.001672 Test engine setup completed 1221225973.285332 0.002295 TCP tests completed 1221225973.286398 0.001066 PING test completed (40 hosts) 1221225974.166549 0.880151 PING test results sent 1221225974.177932 0.011383 Test result collection completed 1221225974.177943 0.000011 LDAP test engine setup completed 1221225974.177944 0.000001 LDAP tests executed 1221225974.177945 0.000001 LDAP tests result collection completed 1221225974.177946 0.000001 NSLOOKUP tests executed 1221225974.179452 0.001506 Test results transmitted 1221225974.181039 0.001587 bbtest-net completed 1221225974.182936 0.001897 TIME TOTAL 5.907605 What you see are two mystic things: It seems that hobbit resolves all clients via DNS: # hostnames resolved : 40 Why that, I gave all names and it's corresponding IPs at the bb-hosts file? The DNS test runs about 5 seconds for only these 40 clients, maybe that is because of the first issue: DNS lookups completed 1221225973.283037 5.001672 If you look at the graph, it gives very scary "triagle curves". I've put a screenshot here: http://www.trektech.de/test/hobbitgraph.png The thing seems to have started when I put the DNS keyword to my two DNS servers. Before it gave a nearly zero line. I want to add about 400 network switches which should only do a ping test and I fear that this would extremely increase the runtime of the bbtest. What can I do to decrease the runtime? Thorsten Erdmann ITI/EP68 Mercedes Benz Werk Hamburg Tel.: +XX-XX-XXXX-XXXX If you are not the intended addressee, please inform us immediately that you have received this e-mail in error, and delete it. We thank you for your cooperation.
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It seems that hobbit resolves all clients via DNS: # hostnames resolved : 40 Why that, I gave all names and it's corresponding IPs at the bb-hosts file?
www.google.com 208.69.36.230 # <-- this will lookup www.google.com and
ping the IP, if it can't find an A record for it then it will use the IP as
a backup
www.google.com 208.69.36.230 # testip <--- this will use the hostname for
display purposes, no dns lookup and skip to using the IP for the conn test
I have the same triangular graphs on hotspot networks with multiple APs.
This is normal, as far as I can tell.
Adding 400 hosts and 400 dns queries shouldn't cause too much of a load,
though, if you're worried about the DNS queries taking out the DNS servers
then just tack "testip" to the end of them. The conn/ping test is awfully
efficient, assuming you're using fping.
Are you using fping or hobbitping?
Josh Luthman
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On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 9:38 AM, <user-9219fb9415b1@xymon.invalid> wrote:
Hi I am running hobbit against 40 clients. Two of these clients are our DNS servers. Only on these two clients I have enabled the DNS test by adding the DNS keyword to their bb-hosts line. I wanted to check the function of the DNS servers If I look at the statistics of bbtest it looks like this: Fri Sep 12 15:26:08 2008 bbtest-net version 4.2.0 SSL library : OpenSSL 0.9.7a Feb 19 2003 LDAP library: OpenLDAP 20213 Statistics: Hosts total : 41 Hosts with no tests : 1 Total test count : 44 Status messages : 45 Alert status msgs : 0 Transmissions : 2 DNS statistics: # hostnames resolved : 40 # succesful : 40 # failed : 0 # calls to dnsresolve : 44 TCP test statistics: # TCP tests total : 2 # HTTP tests : 1 # Simple TCP tests : 1 # Connection attempts : 2 # bytes written : 126 # bytes read : 871 TIME SPENT Event Starttime Duration bbtest-net startup 1221225968.275331 • Service definitions loaded 1221225968.276931 0.001600 Tests loaded 1221225968.281365 0.004434 DNS lookups completed 1221225973.283037 5.001672 Test engine setup completed 1221225973.285332 0.002295 TCP tests completed 1221225973.286398 0.001066 PING test completed (40 hosts) 1221225974.166549 0.880151 PING test results sent 1221225974.177932 0.011383 Test result collection completed 1221225974.177943 0.000011 LDAP test engine setup completed 1221225974.177944 0.000001 LDAP tests executed 1221225974.177945 0.000001 LDAP tests result collection completed 1221225974.177946 0.000001 NSLOOKUP tests executed 1221225974.179452 0.001506 Test results transmitted 1221225974.181039 0.001587 bbtest-net completed 1221225974.182936 0.001897 TIME TOTAL 5.907605 What you see are two mystic things: It seems that hobbit resolves all clients via DNS: # hostnames resolved : 40 Why that, I gave all names and it's corresponding IPs at the bb-hosts file? The DNS test runs about 5 seconds for only these 40 clients, maybe that is because of the first issue: DNS lookups completed 1221225973.283037 5.001672 If you look at the graph, it gives very scary "triagle curves". I've put a screenshot here: http://www.trektech.de/test/hobbitgraph.png The thing seems to have started when I put the DNS keyword to my two DNS servers. Before it gave a nearly zero line. I want to add about 400 network switches which should only do a ping test and I fear that this would extremely increase the runtime of the bbtest. What can I do to decrease the runtime? Thorsten Erdmann ITI/EP68 Mercedes Benz Werk Hamburg Tel.: +XX-XX-XXXX-XXXX If you are not the intended addressee, please inform us immediately that you have received this e-mail in error, and delete it. We thank you for your cooperation.
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list Greg L Hubbard
Add the "testip" flag to each host and Hobbit will not try to resolve the name. When you add the "dns" flag, Hobbit will test the DNS server on that host. You might also keep in mind that DNS results are usually cached by the resolver on each machine until they expire, and this happens at an operating system level. However, Hobbit uses a specific DNS support package (perhaps to make the code more portable) -- I have seen it hang when the DNS servers are not exactly correct, so using "testip" is a good defence mechanism. GLH
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From: user-9219fb9415b1@xymon.invalid [mailto:user-9219fb9415b1@xymon.invalid] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 8:38 AM To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid Subject: [hobbit] bbtest shows long DNS runtime, why Hi I am running hobbit against 40 clients. Two of these clients are our DNS servers. Only on these two clients I have enabled the DNS test by adding the DNS keyword to their bb-hosts line. I wanted to check the function of the DNS servers If I look at the statistics of bbtest it looks like this: Fri Sep 12 15:26:08 2008 bbtest-net version 4.2.0 SSL library : OpenSSL 0.9.7a Feb 19 2003 LDAP library: OpenLDAP 20213 Statistics: Hosts total : 41 Hosts with no tests : 1 Total test count : 44 Status messages : 45 Alert status msgs : 0 Transmissions : 2 DNS statistics: # hostnames resolved : 40 # succesful : 40 # failed : 0 # calls to dnsresolve : 44 TCP test statistics: # TCP tests total : 2 # HTTP tests : 1 # Simple TCP tests : 1 # Connection attempts : 2 # bytes written : 126 # bytes read : 871 TIME SPENT Event Starttime Duration bbtest-net startup 1221225968.275331 • Service definitions loaded 1221225968.276931 0.001600 Tests loaded 1221225968.281365 0.004434 DNS lookups completed 1221225973.283037 5.001672 Test engine setup completed 1221225973.285332 0.002295 TCP tests completed 1221225973.286398 0.001066 PING test completed (40 hosts) 1221225974.166549 0.880151 PING test results sent 1221225974.177932 0.011383 Test result collection completed 1221225974.177943 0.000011 LDAP test engine setup completed 1221225974.177944 0.000001 LDAP tests executed 1221225974.177945 0.000001 LDAP tests result collection completed 1221225974.177946 0.000001 NSLOOKUP tests executed 1221225974.179452 0.001506 Test results transmitted 1221225974.181039 0.001587 bbtest-net completed 1221225974.182936 0.001897 TIME TOTAL 5.907605 What you see are two mystic things: It seems that hobbit resolves all clients via DNS: # hostnames resolved : 40 Why that, I gave all names and it's corresponding IPs at the bb-hosts file? The DNS test runs about 5 seconds for only these 40 clients, maybe that is because of the first issue: DNS lookups completed 1221225973.283037 5.001672 If you look at the graph, it gives very scary "triagle curves". I've put a screenshot here: http://www.trektech.de/test/hobbitgraph.png The thing seems to have started when I put the DNS keyword to my two DNS servers. Before it gave a nearly zero line. I want to add about 400 network switches which should only do a ping test and I fear that this would extremely increase the runtime of the bbtest. What can I do to decrease the runtime? Thorsten Erdmann ITI/EP68 Mercedes Benz Werk Hamburg Tel.: +XX-XX-XXXX-XXXX If you are not the intended addressee, please inform us immediately that you have received this e-mail in error, and delete it. We thank you for your cooperation.
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Thanks in advance for your help. I'm trying to install hobbit snapshot on the latest version of Ubuntu LTS. I'm new to Linux and am usually a windows guy so the switch hasn't been that easy but I'm making headway. When I try to do the ./configure in the directory I get to the "Checking for RRDtool and it come ups that RRDtool include or library-files not found. Once I got that I installed RRDtool 1.2.27-2 from the Ubuntu Patches site. I have also installed libldap2 2.1.30-XX from the same place. Any help is much appreciated. I'm trying to get this going and i've been on it for 3 days now and it's starting to make me mad and I want to beat it! Thanks T.C. Thomas C. Anthony II (T.C.) Communications/Network Engineer Phone = XXX-XXX-XXXX Fax = XXX-XXX-XXXX
list Rich Smrcina
You can also add a runtime option to do testip globally, so that you don't have to add it to each host.
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Hubbard, Greg L wrote:Add the "testip" flag to each host and Hobbit will not try to resolve the name. When you add the "dns" flag, Hobbit will test the DNS server on that host. You might also keep in mind that DNS results are usually cached by the resolver on each machine until they expire, and this happens at an operating system level. However, Hobbit uses a specific DNS support package (perhaps to make the code more portable) -- I have seen it hang when the DNS servers are not exactly correct, so using "testip" is a good defence mechanism. GLH
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list Josh Luthman
sudo apt-get install rrd-tool-dev rrd-tool-devel You will need to install all development packages required (PCRE, RRDtool, libpng, OpenSSL, OpenLDAP) per http://hobbitmon.sourceforge.net/docs/install.html
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On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 10:04 AM, <user-76ab58815011@xymon.invalid> wrote:
Thanks in advance for your help. I'm trying to install hobbit snapshot on the latest version of Ubuntu LTS. I'm new to Linux and am usually a windows guy so the switch hasn't been that easy but I'm making headway. When I try to do the ./configure in the directory I get to the "Checking for RRDtool and it come ups that RRDtool include or library-files not found. Once I got that I installed RRDtool 1.2.27-2 from the Ubuntu
Patches site. I have also installed libldap2 2.1.30-13 from the same
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place.
Any help is much appreciated. I'm trying to get this going and i've been
on it for 3 days now and it's starting to make me mad and I want to beat
it!
Thanks
T.C.
Thomas C. Anthony II (T.C.)
Communications/Network Engineer
Phone = XXX-XXX-XXXX
Fax = XXX-XXX-XXXX
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user-76ab58815011@xymon.invalid a écrit :
Thanks in advance for your help. I'm trying to install hobbit snapshot on the latest version of Ubuntu LTS. I'm new to Linux and am usually a windows guy so the switch hasn't been that easy but I'm making headway. When I try to do the ./configure in the directory I get to the "Checking for RRDtool and it come ups that RRDtool include or library-files not found. Once I got that I installed RRDtool 1.2.27-2 from the Ubuntu Patches site. I have also installed libldap2 2.1.30-13 from the same place.
I'm new to Ubuntu, but if it's close to linux, you should search for the librrd-dev or librrd2-dev. those are required if you'd like to compile code that require rrd includes. it's the same for ldap, search for libldap-dev or libldap2-dev. hope this'll help.
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Any help is much appreciated. I'm trying to get this going and i've been on it for 3 days now and it's starting to make me mad and I want to beat it! Thanks T.C. Thomas C. Anthony II (T.C.) Communications/Network Engineer Phone = XXX-XXX-XXXX Fax = XXX-XXX-XXXX
list Epperson
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On Fri, September 12, 2008 10:04, user-76ab58815011@xymon.invalid wrote:
Thanks in advance for your help. I'm trying to install hobbit snapshot on the latest version of Ubuntu LTS. I'm new to Linux and am usually a windows guy so the switch hasn't been that easy but I'm making headway. When I try to do the ./configure in the directory I get to the "Checking for RRDtool and it come ups that RRDtool include or library-files not found. Once I got that I installed RRDtool 1.2.27-2 from the Ubuntu Patches site. I have also installed libldap2 2.1.30-13 from the same place.
You need rrdtool-devel for the includes and libraries, I think.
list Thorsten Erdmann
Thank you for the very quick answer! The testip tag did the trick. Now I again have a near-zero-line for the bbtest runtime. Thorsten Erdmann ITI/EP68 Mercedes Benz Werk Hamburg Tel.: +XX-XX-XXXX-XXXX mobil: +XX-XXX-XXXXXXX Lotus-Fax:+XX-XXX-XXXXXXXXXX mail: user-9219fb9415b1@xymon.invalid user-4c45a83f15cb@xymon.invalid 12.09.2008 15:43 Bitte antworten an user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid An user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid Kopie Thema Re: [hobbit] bbtest shows long DNS runtime, why
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It seems that hobbit resolves all clients via DNS: # hostnames resolved : 40 Why that, I gave all names and it's corresponding IPs at the bb-hosts file? www.google.com 208.69.36.230 # <-- this will lookup www.google.com and ping the IP, if it can't find an A record for it then it will use the IP as a backup www.google.com 208.69.36.230 # testip <--- this will use the hostname for display purposes, no dns lookup and skip to using the IP for the conn test I have the same triangular graphs on hotspot networks with multiple APs. This is normal, as far as I can tell. Adding 400 hosts and 400 dns queries shouldn't cause too much of a load, though, if you're worried about the DNS queries taking out the DNS servers then just tack "testip" to the end of them. The conn/ping test is awfully efficient, assuming you're using fping. Are you using fping or hobbitping? Josh Luthman Office: XXX-XXX-XXXX Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX XXXX Wayne St Suite XXXX Troy, OH XXXXX Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 9:38 AM, <user-9219fb9415b1@xymon.invalid> wrote: Hi I am running hobbit against 40 clients. Two of these clients are our DNS servers. Only on these two clients I have enabled the DNS test by adding the DNS keyword to their bb-hosts line. I wanted to check the function of the DNS servers If I look at the statistics of bbtest it looks like this: Fri Sep 12 15:26:08 2008 bbtest-net version 4.2.0 SSL library : OpenSSL 0.9.7a Feb 19 2003 LDAP library: OpenLDAP 20213 Statistics: Hosts total : 41 Hosts with no tests : 1 Total test count : 44 Status messages : 45 Alert status msgs : 0 Transmissions : 2 DNS statistics: # hostnames resolved : 40 # succesful : 40 # failed : 0 # calls to dnsresolve : 44 TCP test statistics: # TCP tests total : 2 # HTTP tests : 1 # Simple TCP tests : 1 # Connection attempts : 2 # bytes written : 126 # bytes read : 871 TIME SPENT Event Starttime Duration bbtest-net startup 1221225968.275331 - Service definitions loaded 1221225968.276931 0.001600 Tests loaded 1221225968.281365 0.004434 DNS lookups completed 1221225973.283037 5.001672 Test engine setup completed 1221225973.285332 0.002295 TCP tests completed 1221225973.286398 0.001066 PING test completed (40 hosts) 1221225974.166549 0.880151 PING test results sent 1221225974.177932 0.011383 Test result collection completed 1221225974.177943 0.000011 LDAP test engine setup completed 1221225974.177944 0.000001 LDAP tests executed 1221225974.177945 0.000001 LDAP tests result collection completed 1221225974.177946 0.000001 NSLOOKUP tests executed 1221225974.179452 0.001506 Test results transmitted 1221225974.181039 0.001587 bbtest-net completed 1221225974.182936 0.001897 TIME TOTAL 5.907605 What you see are two mystic things: It seems that hobbit resolves all clients via DNS: # hostnames resolved : 40 Why that, I gave all names and it's corresponding IPs at the bb-hosts file? The DNS test runs about 5 seconds for only these 40 clients, maybe that is because of the first issue: DNS lookups completed 1221225973.283037 5.001672 If you look at the graph, it gives very scary "triagle curves". I've put a screenshot here: http://www.trektech.de/test/hobbitgraph.png The thing seems to have started when I put the DNS keyword to my two DNS servers. Before it gave a nearly zero line. I want to add about 400 network switches which should only do a ping test and I fear that this would extremely increase the runtime of the bbtest. What can I do to decrease the runtime? Thorsten Erdmann ITI/EP68 Mercedes Benz Werk Hamburg Tel.: +XX-XX-XXXX-XXXX If you are not the intended addressee, please inform us immediately that you have received this e-mail in error, and delete it. We thank you for your cooperation. Loading Image Click anywhere to cancel Image is Unavailable If you are not the intended addressee, please inform us immediately that you have received this e-mail in error, and delete it. We thank you for your cooperation.
list Tanthony
I think my make failed. Here is the log file:
Created Makefile with the necessary information to build Hobbit
Some defaults are used, so do look at the Makefile before continuing.
Configuration complete - now run make (GNU make) to build the tools
hobbit@hobbit-dev:~/Desktop/snapshot$ make install
mkdir -p /home/hobbit/server /home/hobbit/server/download /home/hobbit/data
mkdir -p /home/hobbit/server/bin
chown hobbit /home/hobbit/server/bin
chgrp `id -g hobbit` /home/hobbit/server/bin
mkdir -p /home/hobbit/server/etc
chown hobbit /home/hobbit/server/etc
chgrp `id -g hobbit` /home/hobbit/server/etc
mkdir -p /home/hobbit/server/ext
chown hobbit /home/hobbit/server/ext
chgrp `id -g hobbit` /home/hobbit/server/ext
mkdir -p /home/hobbit/server/tmp
chown hobbit /home/hobbit/server/tmp
chgrp `id -g hobbit` /home/hobbit/server/tmp
mkdir -p /home/hobbit/server/web
chown hobbit /home/hobbit/server/web
chgrp `id -g hobbit` /home/hobbit/server/web
mkdir -p /home/hobbit/server/www /home/hobbit/server/www/gifs /home/hobbit/server/www/help /home/hobbit/server/www/html /home/hobbit/server/www/menu /home/hobbit/server/www/notes /home/hobbit/server/www/rep /home/hobbit/server/www/snap /home/hobbit/server/www/wml
chown hobbit /home/hobbit/server/www /home/hobbit/server/www/gifs /home/hobbit/server/www/help /home/hobbit/server/www/html /home/hobbit/server/www/menu /home/hobbit/server/www/notes /home/hobbit/server/www/rep /home/hobbit/server/www/snap /home/hobbit/server/www/wml
chgrp `id -g hobbit` /home/hobbit/server/www /home/hobbit/server/www/gifs /home/hobbit/server/www/help /home/hobbit/server/www/html /home/hobbit/server/www/menu /home/hobbit/server/www/notes /home/hobbit/server/www/rep /home/hobbit/server/www/snap /home/hobbit/server/www/wml
chgrp nobody /home/hobbit/server/www/rep /home/hobbit/server/www/snap
chgrp: invalid group: `nobody'
make: *** [install-dirs] Error 1
hobbit@hobbit-dev:~/Desktop/snapshot$ ./configure
Per the instructions I try to run the ./server/hobbit.sh start command and it doesn't work. I get
hobbit@hobbit-dev:~$ ./server/hobbit.sh start
bash: ./server/hobbit.sh: No such file or directory
hobbit@hobbit-dev:~$ ./hobbit/hobbit.sh start
bash: ./hobbit/hobbit.sh: Not a directory
hobbit@hobbit-dev:~$ ./home/hobbit/hobbit.sh start
bash: ./home/hobbit/hobbit.sh: No such file or directory
hobbit@hobbit-dev:~$ ls
data Documents hobbit Pictures server Videos
Desktop Examples Music Public Templates
hobbit@hobbit-dev:~$ hobbit.sh start
bash: hobbit.sh: command not found
hobbit@hobbit-dev:~$ ./hobbit.sh start
bash: ./hobbit.sh: No such file or directory
hobbit@hobbit-dev:~$
Any help is greatly appreciated
T.C.
Created Makefile with the necessary information to build Hobbit
Some defaults are used, so do look at the Makefile before continuing.
Configuration complete - now run make (GNU make) to build the tools
hobbit@hobbit-dev:~/Desktop/snapshot$ make install
mkdir -p /home/hobbit/server /home/hobbit/server/download /home/hobbit/data
mkdir -p /home/hobbit/server/bin
chown hobbit /home/hobbit/server/bin
chgrp `id -g hobbit` /home/hobbit/server/bin
mkdir -p /home/hobbit/server/etc
chown hobbit /home/hobbit/server/etc
chgrp `id -g hobbit` /home/hobbit/server/etc
mkdir -p /home/hobbit/server/ext
chown hobbit /home/hobbit/server/ext
chgrp `id -g hobbit` /home/hobbit/server/ext
mkdir -p /home/hobbit/server/tmp
chown hobbit /home/hobbit/server/tmp
chgrp `id -g hobbit` /home/hobbit/server/tmp
mkdir -p /home/hobbit/server/web
chown hobbit /home/hobbit/server/web
chgrp `id -g hobbit` /home/hobbit/server/web
mkdir -p /home/hobbit/server/www /home/hobbit/server/www/gifs /home/hobbit/server/www/help /home/hobbit/server/www/html /home/hobbit/server/www/menu /home/hobbit/server/www/notes /home/hobbit/server/www/rep /home/hobbit/server/www/snap /home/hobbit/server/www/wml
chown hobbit /home/hobbit/server/www /home/hobbit/server/www/gifs /home/hobbit/server/www/help /home/hobbit/server/www/html /home/hobbit/server/www/menu /home/hobbit/server/www/notes /home/hobbit/server/www/rep /home/hobbit/server/www/snap /home/hobbit/server/www/wml
chgrp `id -g hobbit` /home/hobbit/server/www /home/hobbit/server/www/gifs /home/hobbit/server/www/help /home/hobbit/server/www/html /home/hobbit/server/www/menu /home/hobbit/server/www/notes /home/hobbit/server/www/rep /home/hobbit/server/www/snap /home/hobbit/server/www/wml
chgrp nobody /home/hobbit/server/www/rep /home/hobbit/server/www/snap
chgrp: invalid group: `nobody'
make: *** [install-dirs] Error 1
hobbit@hobbit-dev:~/Desktop/snapshot$ ./configure
Per the instructions I try to run the ./server/hobbit.sh start command and it doesn't work. I get
hobbit@hobbit-dev:~$ ./server/hobbit.sh start
bash: ./server/hobbit.sh: No such file or directory
hobbit@hobbit-dev:~$ ./hobbit/hobbit.sh start
bash: ./hobbit/hobbit.sh: Not a directory
hobbit@hobbit-dev:~$ ./home/hobbit/hobbit.sh start
bash: ./home/hobbit/hobbit.sh: No such file or directory
hobbit@hobbit-dev:~$ ls
data Documents hobbit Pictures server Videos
Desktop Examples Music Public Templates
hobbit@hobbit-dev:~$ hobbit.sh start
bash: hobbit.sh: command not found
hobbit@hobbit-dev:~$ ./hobbit.sh start
bash: ./hobbit.sh: No such file or directory
hobbit@hobbit-dev:~$
Any help is greatly appreciated
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ThanksT.C.
Thomas C. Anthony II (T.C.)
Communications/Network Engineer
Phone = XXX-XXX-XXXX
Fax = XXX-XXX-XXXX
Communications/Network Engineer
Phone = XXX-XXX-XXXX
Fax = XXX-XXX-XXXX
list Rich Smrcina
When you ran the configure script how did you answer the question about the group that your webserver runs under?
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user-76ab58815011@xymon.invalid wrote:I think my make failed. Here is the log file: Created Makefile with the necessary information to build Hobbit Some defaults are used, so do look at the Makefile before continuing. Configuration complete - now run make (GNU make) to build the tools
hobbit at hobbit-dev:~/Desktop/snapshot$ make install
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mkdir -p /home/hobbit/server /home/hobbit/server/download /home/hobbit/data
mkdir -p /home/hobbit/server/bin
chown hobbit /home/hobbit/server/bin
chgrp `id -g hobbit` /home/hobbit/server/bin
mkdir -p /home/hobbit/server/etc
chown hobbit /home/hobbit/server/etc
chgrp `id -g hobbit` /home/hobbit/server/etc
mkdir -p /home/hobbit/server/ext
chown hobbit /home/hobbit/server/ext
chgrp `id -g hobbit` /home/hobbit/server/ext
mkdir -p /home/hobbit/server/tmp
chown hobbit /home/hobbit/server/tmp
chgrp `id -g hobbit` /home/hobbit/server/tmp
mkdir -p /home/hobbit/server/web
chown hobbit /home/hobbit/server/web
chgrp `id -g hobbit` /home/hobbit/server/web
mkdir -p /home/hobbit/server/www /home/hobbit/server/www/gifs /home/hobbit/server/www/help /home/hobbit/server/www/html /home/hobbit/server/www/menu /home/hobbit/server/www/notes /home/hobbit/server/www/rep /home/hobbit/server/www/snap /home/hobbit/server/www/wml
chown hobbit /home/hobbit/server/www /home/hobbit/server/www/gifs /home/hobbit/server/www/help /home/hobbit/server/www/html /home/hobbit/server/www/menu /home/hobbit/server/www/notes /home/hobbit/server/www/rep /home/hobbit/server/www/snap /home/hobbit/server/www/wml
chgrp `id -g hobbit` /home/hobbit/server/www /home/hobbit/server/www/gifs /home/hobbit/server/www/help /home/hobbit/server/www/html /home/hobbit/server/www/menu /home/hobbit/server/www/notes /home/hobbit/server/www/rep /home/hobbit/server/www/snap /home/hobbit/server/www/wml
chgrp nobody /home/hobbit/server/www/rep /home/hobbit/server/www/snap
chgrp: invalid group: `nobody'
make: *** [install-dirs] Error 1
hobbit at hobbit-dev:~/Desktop/snapshot$ ./configure
Per the instructions I try to run the ./server/hobbit.sh start command and it doesn't work. I get
hobbit at hobbit-dev:~$ ./server/hobbit.sh start
bash: ./server/hobbit.sh: No such file or directory
hobbit at hobbit-dev:~$ ./hobbit/hobbit.sh start
bash: ./hobbit/hobbit.sh: Not a directory
hobbit at hobbit-dev:~$ ./home/hobbit/hobbit.sh start
bash: ./home/hobbit/hobbit.sh: No such file or directory
hobbit at hobbit-dev:~$ ls
data Documents hobbit Pictures server Videos
Desktop Examples Music Public Templates
hobbit at hobbit-dev:~$ hobbit.sh start
bash: hobbit.sh: command not found
hobbit at hobbit-dev:~$ ./hobbit.sh start
bash: ./hobbit.sh: No such file or directory
hobbit at hobbit-dev:~$
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Any help is greatly appreciated
Thanks
T.C.
Thomas C. Anthony II (T.C.)
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To Rich's point:
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chgrp nobody /home/hobbit/server/www/rep /home/hobbit/server/www/snap
chgrp: invalid group: `nobody'
make: *** [install-dirs] Error 1
GLH
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-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Smrcina [mailto:user-cf452ff334e0@xymon.invalid] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 1:00 PM
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] Hobbit install failure? Can't get Hobbit Started
When you ran the configure script how did you answer the question about
the group that your webserver runs under?
user-76ab58815011@xymon.invalid wrote:I think my make failed. Here is the log file: Created Makefile with the necessary information to build Hobbit Some defaults are used, so do look at the Makefile before continuing. Configuration complete - now run make (GNU make) to build the tools hobbit at hobbit-dev:~/Desktop/snapshot$ make install mkdir -p /home/hobbit/server /home/hobbit/server/download /home/hobbit/data mkdir -p /home/hobbit/server/bin chown hobbit /home/hobbit/server/bin chgrp `id -g hobbit` /home/hobbit/server/bin mkdir -p /home/hobbit/server/etc chown hobbit /home/hobbit/server/etc chgrp `id
-g hobbit` /home/hobbit/server/etc mkdir -p /home/hobbit/server/ext chown hobbit /home/hobbit/server/ext chgrp `id -g hobbit` /home/hobbit/server/ext mkdir -p /home/hobbit/server/tmp chown hobbit /home/hobbit/server/tmp chgrp `id -g hobbit` /home/hobbit/server/tmp mkdir -p /home/hobbit/server/web chown hobbit /home/hobbit/server/web chgrp `id -g hobbit` /home/hobbit/server/web mkdir -p /home/hobbit/server/www /home/hobbit/server/www/gifs /home/hobbit/server/www/help /home/hobbit/server/www/html /home/hobbit/server/www/menu /home/hobbit/server/www/notes /home/hobbit/server/www/rep /home/hobbit/server/www/snap /home/hobbit/server/www/wml chown hobbit /home/hobbit/server/www /home/hobbit/server/www/gifs /home/hobbit/server/www/help /home/hobbit/server/www/html /home/hobbit/server/www/menu /home/hobbit/server/www/notes /home/hobbit/server/www/rep /home/hobbit/server/www/snap /home/hobbit/server/www/wml chgrp `id -g hobbit` /home/hobbit/server/www /home/hobbit/server/www/gifs /home/hobbit/server/www/help /home/hobbit/server/www/html /home/hobbit/server/www/menu /home/hobbit/server/www/notes /home/hobbit/server/www/rep /home/hobbit/server/www/snap /home/hobbit/server/www/wml chgrp nobody /home/hobbit/server/www/rep /home/hobbit/server/www/snap chgrp: invalid group: `nobody' make: *** [install-dirs] Error 1 hobbit at hobbit-dev:~/Desktop/snapshot$ ./configure Per the instructions I try to run the ./server/hobbit.sh start command
and it doesn't work. I get hobbit at hobbit-dev:~$ ./server/hobbit.sh start bash: ./server/hobbit.sh: No such file or directory hobbit at hobbit-dev:~$ ./hobbit/hobbit.sh start bash: ./hobbit/hobbit.sh: Not a directory hobbit at hobbit-dev:~$ ./home/hobbit/hobbit.sh start bash: ./home/hobbit/hobbit.sh: No such file or directory hobbit at hobbit-dev:~$ ls data Documents hobbit Pictures server Videos Desktop Examples Music Public Templates hobbit at hobbit-dev:~$ hobbit.sh start bash: hobbit.sh: command not found hobbit at hobbit-dev:~$ ./hobbit.sh start bash: ./hobbit.sh: No such file or directory hobbit at hobbit-dev:~$ Any help is greatly appreciated Thanks T.C. Thomas C. Anthony II (T.C.) Communications/Network Engineer Phone = XXX-XXX-XXXX Fax = XXX-XXX-XXXX
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I just gave it the defaults. "Stupid User trick" right? I'm not that familiar with Linux or Apache and just took all the defaults. I did see that error which is what prompted this help email.
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Phone = XXX-XXX-XXXX
Fax = XXX-XXX-XXXX
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To Rich's point: <snip> chgrp nobody /home/hobbit/server/www/rep /home/hobbit/server/www/snap chgrp: invalid group: `nobody' make: *** [install-dirs] Error 1 GLH -----Original Message----- From: Rich Smrcina [mailto:user-cf452ff334e0@xymon.invalid] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 1:00 PM To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid Subject: Re: [hobbit] Hobbit install failure? Can't get Hobbit Started When you ran the configure script how did you answer the question about the group that your webserver runs under? user-76ab58815011@xymon.invalid wrote:
I think my make failed. Here is the log file: Created Makefile with the necessary information to build Hobbit Some defaults are used, so do look at the Makefile before continuing. Configuration complete - now run make (GNU make) to build the tools hobbit at hobbit-dev:~/Desktop/snapshot$ make install mkdir -p /home/hobbit/server /home/hobbit/server/download /home/hobbit/data mkdir -p /home/hobbit/server/bin chown hobbit /home/hobbit/server/bin chgrp `id -g hobbit` /home/hobbit/server/bin mkdir -p /home/hobbit/server/etc chown hobbit /home/hobbit/server/etc chgrp `id
-g hobbit` /home/hobbit/server/etc mkdir -p /home/hobbit/server/ext chown hobbit /home/hobbit/server/ext chgrp `id -g hobbit` /home/hobbit/server/ext mkdir -p /home/hobbit/server/tmp chown hobbit /home/hobbit/server/tmp chgrp `id -g hobbit` /home/hobbit/server/tmp mkdir -p /home/hobbit/server/web chown hobbit /home/hobbit/server/web chgrp `id -g hobbit` /home/hobbit/server/web mkdir -p /home/hobbit/server/www /home/hobbit/server/www/gifs /home/hobbit/server/www/help /home/hobbit/server/www/html /home/hobbit/server/www/menu /home/hobbit/server/www/notes /home/hobbit/server/www/rep /home/hobbit/server/www/snap /home/hobbit/server/www/wml chown hobbit /home/hobbit/server/www /home/hobbit/server/www/gifs /home/hobbit/server/www/help /home/hobbit/server/www/html /home/hobbit/server/www/menu /home/hobbit/server/www/notes /home/hobbit/server/www/rep /home/hobbit/server/www/snap /home/hobbit/server/www/wml chgrp `id -g hobbit` /home/hobbit/server/www /home/hobbit/server/www/gifs /home/hobbit/server/www/help /home/hobbit/server/www/html /home/hobbit/server/www/menu /home/hobbit/server/www/notes /home/hobbit/server/www/rep /home/hobbit/server/www/snap /home/hobbit/server/www/wml chgrp nobody /home/hobbit/server/www/rep /home/hobbit/server/www/snap chgrp: invalid group: `nobody' make: *** [install-dirs] Error 1 hobbit at hobbit-dev:~/Desktop/snapshot$ ./configure Per the instructions I try to run the ./server/hobbit.sh start command
and it doesn't work. I get hobbit at hobbit-dev:~$ ./server/hobbit.sh start bash: ./server/hobbit.sh: No such file or directory hobbit at hobbit-dev:~$ ./hobbit/hobbit.sh start bash: ./hobbit/hobbit.sh: Not a directory hobbit at hobbit-dev:~$ ./home/hobbit/hobbit.sh start bash: ./home/hobbit/hobbit.sh: No such file or directory hobbit at hobbit-dev:~$ ls data Documents hobbit Pictures server Videos Desktop Examples Music Public Templates hobbit at hobbit-dev:~$ hobbit.sh start bash: hobbit.sh: command not found hobbit at hobbit-dev:~$ ./hobbit.sh start bash: ./hobbit.sh: No such file or directory hobbit at hobbit-dev:~$ Any help is greatly appreciated Thanks T.C. Thomas C. Anthony II (T.C.) Communications/Network Engineer Phone = XXX-XXX-XXXX Fax = XXX-XXX-XXXX
-- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Phone: XXX-XXX-XXXX Ans Service: XXX-XXX-XXXX user-61add9955ef9@xymon.invalid http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2009 - Orlando, FL - May 15-19, 2009
list Rich Smrcina
Ok, check to see what user Apache is running as. Issue the command: ps -ef | grep http You should see something like this: wwwrun 17153 1097 0 Sep14 ? 00:00:06 /usr/sbin/httpd2-prefork -f /etc/apache2/httpd.conf The first column (wwwrun in my case) is the user that the web server is running under. Then enter: groups wwwrun But substitute your first column for wwwrun, you will get something like this: wwwrun : www www is the group name that the web server is running under. That should be the response to the question 'What group is your web server running under?' (or how ever it's phrased).
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user-76ab58815011@xymon.invalid wrote:I just gave it the defaults. "Stupid User trick" right? I'm not that familiar with Linux or Apache and just took all the defaults. I did see that error which is what prompted this help email. T.C. Thomas C. Anthony II (T.C.) Communications/Network Engineer Phone = XXX-XXX-XXXX Fax = XXX-XXX-XXXX
-- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Phone: XXX-XXX-XXXX Ans Service: XXX-XXX-XXXX user-61add9955ef9@xymon.invalid http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2009 - Orlando, FL - May 15-19, 2009
list Josh Luthman
This may be a bit excessive and brute force...but... updatedb && grep -i user `locate httpd.conf`
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--- Henry Spencer
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On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Rich Smrcina <user-cf452ff334e0@xymon.invalid> wrote:
Ok, check to see what user Apache is running as. Issue the command: ps -ef | grep http You should see something like this: wwwrun 17153 1097 0 Sep14 ? 00:00:06 /usr/sbin/httpd2-prefork -f /etc/apache2/httpd.conf The first column (wwwrun in my case) is the user that the web server is running under. Then enter: groups wwwrun But substitute your first column for wwwrun, you will get something like this: wwwrun : www www is the group name that the web server is running under. That should be the response to the question 'What group is your web server running under?' (or how ever it's phrased). user-76ab58815011@xymon.invalid wrote:I just gave it the defaults. "Stupid User trick" right? I'm not that familiar with Linux or Apache and just took all the defaults. I did see that error which is what prompted this help email. T.C. Thomas C. Anthony II (T.C.) Communications/Network Engineer Phone = XXX-XXX-XXXX Fax = XXX-XXX-XXXX-- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Phone: XXX-XXX-XXXX Ans Service: XXX-XXX-XXXX user-61add9955ef9@xymon.invalid http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2009 - Orlando, FL - May 15-19, 2009
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Hi How can I automatically remove all history and other data from hosts which are not in one or any bb-hosts file any more. Thanks
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Check out trimhistory and it's options.
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user-9219fb9415b1@xymon.invalid wrote:Hi How can I automatically remove all history and other data from hosts which are not in one or any bb-hosts file any more. Thanks Thorsten Erdmann ITI/EP68 Mercedes Benz Werk Hamburg Tel.: +XX-XX-XXXX-XXXX mobil: +XX-XXX-XXXXXXX Lotus-Fax:+XX-XXX-XXXXXXXXXX mail: user-9219fb9415b1@xymon.invalid If you are not the intended addressee, please inform us immediately that you have received this e-mail in error, and delete it. We thank you for your cooperation.
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Read bb manpages bb recipient "drop hostname" where recipient = hobbitserver hostname = name of host you want to remove -- Regards Lars Ebeling http://leopg9.no-ip.org Hobbithobbyist "I am not young enough to know everything." -- Oscar Wilde
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----- Original Message -----
From: user-9219fb9415b1@xymon.invalid
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 3:53 PM
Subject: [hobbit] Remove all hosts which are not in bb-hosts or it's includes
Hi
How can I automatically remove all history and other data from hosts which are not in one or any bb-hosts file any more.
Thanks
Thorsten Erdmann
ITI/EP68
Mercedes Benz Werk Hamburg
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Rich's suggestion is probably the best solution -- Regards Lars Ebeling http://leopg9.no-ip.org Hobbithobbyist "It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt." -- Mark Twain
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----- Original Message ----- From: Lars Ebeling To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [hobbit] Remove all hosts which are not in bb-hosts or it's includes Read bb manpages bb recipient "drop hostname" where recipient = hobbitserver hostname = name of host you want to remove -- Regards Lars Ebeling http://leopg9.no-ip.org Hobbithobbyist "I am not young enough to know everything." -- Oscar Wilde ----- Original Message ----- From: user-9219fb9415b1@xymon.invalid To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 3:53 PM Subject: [hobbit] Remove all hosts which are not in bb-hosts or it's includes Hi How can I automatically remove all history and other data from hosts which are not in one or any bb-hosts file any more. Thanks Thorsten Erdmann ITI/EP68 Mercedes Benz Werk Hamburg Tel.: +XX-XX-XXXX-XXXX mobil: +XX-XXX-XXXXXXX Lotus-Fax:+XX-XXX-XXXXXXXXXX mail: user-9219fb9415b1@xymon.invalid If you are not the intended addressee, please inform us immediately that you have received this e-mail in error, and delete it. We thank you for your cooperation.
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*So that must mean conn test is purple? See: remove-all-purple.ksh <http://www.hswn.dk/hobbiton/2008/07/msg00015.html>; Modify by get rid of the TEST param.
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• Lars Ebeling wrote:Rich's suggestion is probably the best solution -- Regards Lars Ebeling http://leopg9.no-ip.org Hobbithobbyist *"It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt." -- Mark Twain* ----- Original Message -----
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*Sent:* Thursday, September 18, 2008 4:45 PM *Subject:* Re: [hobbit] Remove all hosts which are not in bb-hosts or it's includes Read bb manpages bb recipient "drop hostname" where recipient = hobbitserver hostname = name of host you want to remove -- Regards Lars Ebeling http://leopg9.no-ip.org Hobbithobbyist "I am not young enough to know everything." -- Oscar Wilde ----- Original Message ----- *From:* user-9219fb9415b1@xymon.invalid
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*Sent:* Thursday, September 18, 2008 3:53 PM
*Subject:* [hobbit] Remove all hosts which are not in bb-hosts
or it's includes
Hi
How can I automatically remove all history and other data from
hosts which are not in one or any bb-hosts file any more.
Thanks
Thorsten Erdmann
ITI/EP68
Mercedes Benz Werk Hamburg
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In <user-3dcd3fb12fae@xymon.invalid> user-9219fb9415b1@xymon.invalid writes:
What you see are two mystic things:
It seems that hobbit resolves all clients via DNS: =20 # hostnames resolved : 40 Why that, I gave all names and it's corresponding IPs at the bb-hosts=20 file?
The IP's in the bb-hosts file are mostly there for backward compatibility with Big Brother. Hobbit will do a DNS lookup to determine the IP-address, and only if this fails will it fall back to using the IP listed in bb-hosts. If you want to skip the DNS lookup, add a "testip" to the host lines in bb-hosts, or a "--dns=ip" option to the bbtest-net command in hobbitlaunch.cfg.
I want to add about 400 network switches which should only do a ping test=20
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and I fear that this would extremely increase the runtime of the bbtest.
What can I do to decrease the runtime?
Drop the DNS lookups of all hosts (see above), or run a local caching DNS
server on the Hobbit server. Hobbit does send a lot of DNS requests very
quickly, and I know from personal experience that some DNS servers have
problems with this.
Regards,
Henrik