Top-Posting (was Re: [hobbit] Custom script shows purple)
list Jerald Sheets
On the topic of Top-Posting... In the Gmail world, many times things that are replaced with - Show Quoted Text - in an alternate, smaller, insignificant font sometimes don't grab your eyes when responding. Sorry for that. Further, I'm on about six lists. I have one that despises top posting, one that despises bottom posting, and another that despises interstitial posting. I'm not motivated to keep up with it all. If it's a big enough problem, then I'll just stop posting altogether if that's what the community wants. --- Jerald M. Sheets jr. On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 8:21 AM, Xymon User in Richmond < user-24d6f8323faa@xymon.invalid> wrote:
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list Larry Barber
It's not a problem, I don't think, most of the people on this list top post. At the very least its the method I prefer, it makes it easier to keep up with an on-going conversation. Thanks, Larry Barber
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On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Jerald Sheets <user-96a6f34c5806@xymon.invalid> wrote:
On the topic of Top-Posting... In the Gmail world, many times things that are replaced with - Show Quoted Text - in an alternate, smaller, insignificant font sometimes don't grab your eyes when responding. Sorry for that. Further, I'm on about six lists. I have one that despises top posting, one that despises bottom posting, and another that despises interstitial posting. I'm not motivated to keep up with it all. If it's a big enough problem, then I'll just stop posting altogether if that's what the community wants. --- Jerald M. Sheets jr. On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 8:21 AM, Xymon User in Richmond < user-24d6f8323faa@xymon.invalid> wrote:[Insert top-posting rant boilerplate here]
list Josh Luthman
It's 2010. If you're still using Pine then you're going to feel consequences a decade after technology grows. It's like people complaining Windows 95 won't support VMware VIC. Technology moves, keep up. I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but the reality of the situation is things change. Josh Luthman Office: XXX-XXX-XXXX Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX XXXX Wayne St Suite XXXX Troy, OH XXXXX “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill
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On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Larry Barber <user-6ef9c2864140@xymon.invalid> wrote:
It's not a problem, I don't think, most of the people on this list top post. At the very least its the method I prefer, it makes it easier to keep up with an on-going conversation. Thanks, Larry Barber On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Jerald Sheets <user-96a6f34c5806@xymon.invalid> wrote:On the topic of Top-Posting... In the Gmail world, many times things that are replaced with - Show Quoted Text - in an alternate, smaller, insignificant font sometimes don't grab your eyes when responding. Sorry for that. Further, I'm on about six lists. I have one that despises top posting, one that despises bottom posting, and another that despises interstitial posting. I'm not motivated to keep up with it all. If it's a big enough problem, then I'll just stop posting altogether if that's what the community wants. --- Jerald M. Sheets jr. On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 8:21 AM, Xymon User in Richmond < user-24d6f8323faa@xymon.invalid> wrote:[Insert top-posting rant boilerplate here]
list Rob McBroom
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On Apr 28, 2010, at 12:29 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
If you're still using Pine then you're going to feel consequences a decade after technology grows. It's like people complaining Windows 95 won't support VMware VIC. Technology moves, keep up. I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but the reality of the situation is things change.
I don't use PINE, but I still read English from top to bottom. Unless *that* changes, I don't see how the technology used is relevant. -- Rob McBroom <http://www.skurfer.com/>;
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On Wed, April 28, 2010 12:29, Josh Luthman wrote:
It's 2010. If you're still using Pine then you're going to feel consequences a decade after technology grows. It's like people complaining Windows 95 won't support VMware VIC. Technology moves, keep up. I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but the reality of the situation is things change. Josh Luthman Office: XXX-XXX-XXXX Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX XXXX Wayne St Suite XXXX Troy, OH XXXXX Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Larry Barber <user-6ef9c2864140@xymon.invalid> wrote:It's not a problem, I don't think, most of the people on this list top post. At the very least its the method I prefer, it makes it easier to keep up with an on-going conversation. Thanks, Larry Barber On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Jerald Sheets <user-96a6f34c5806@xymon.invalid> wrote:On the topic of Top-Posting... In the Gmail world, many times things that are replaced with - Show Quoted Text - in an alternate, smaller, insignificant font sometimes don't grab your eyes when responding. Sorry for that. Further, I'm on about six lists. I have one that despises top posting, one that despises bottom posting, and another that despises interstitial posting. I'm not motivated to keep up with it all. If it's a big enough problem, then I'll just stop posting altogether if that's what the community wants.
Apologies to Gerald for any offense. I'm a dinosaur. But I certainly keep up with technology. This is done with Squirrelmail for convenience, but I have a plugin for "old timey" quoting for Outlook at the office. If I'm offending people, I'm the one who should stop posting.
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Josh Luthman wrote:
It's 2010. If you're still using Pine then you're going to feel consequences a decade after technology grows. It's like people complaining Windows 95 won't support VMware VIC. Technology moves, keep up.
There is no relevant updates to the technology of email that would require me to stop using pine to read it.
I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but the reality of the situation is things change.
Actually this is your opinion, but why let the truth ruin a good argument eh ;) Iain
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Josh Luthman Office: XXX-XXX-XXXX Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX XXXX Wayne St Suite XXXX Troy, OH XXXXX “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill
Ah - the old "dutch courage" eh Winston
list Jerald Sheets
Any you know we definitely like a good argument around here! LOL!
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On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Iain M Conochie <user-c784e16a5170@xymon.invalid> wrote:
Josh Luthman wrote:It's 2010. If you're still using Pine then you're going to feel consequences a decade after technology grows. It's like people complaining Windows 95 won't support VMware VIC. Technology moves, keep up.There is no relevant updates to the technology of email that would require me to stop using pine to read it.I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but the reality of the situation is things change.Actually this is your opinion, but why let the truth ruin a good argument eh ;) IainJosh Luthman Office: XXX-XXX-XXXX Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX XXXX Wayne St Suite XXXX Troy, OH XXXXX “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill Ah - the old "dutch courage" eh Winston
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There is no relevant updates to the technology of email that would require me to stop using pine to read it.
The changes aren't in SMTP or POP, but rather the client applications. Clients today are predominately top posting. Clients years ago used bottom posting.
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Josh Luthman
Office: XXX-XXX-XXXX
Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX
XXXX Wayne St
Suite XXXX
Troy, OH XXXXX
“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Jerald Sheets <user-96a6f34c5806@xymon.invalid> wrote:
Any you know we definitely like a good argument around here! LOL! --- Jerald M. Sheets jr. On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Iain M Conochie <user-c784e16a5170@xymon.invalid> wrote:Josh Luthman wrote:It's 2010. If you're still using Pine then you're going to feel consequences a decade after technology grows. It's like people complaining Windows 95 won't support VMware VIC. Technology moves, keep up.There is no relevant updates to the technology of email that would require me to stop using pine to read it.I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but the reality of the situation is things change.Actually this is your opinion, but why let the truth ruin a good argument eh ;) IainJosh Luthman Office: XXX-XXX-XXXX Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX XXXX Wayne St Suite XXXX Troy, OH XXXXX “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill Ah - the old "dutch courage" eh Winston
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Josh Luthman wrote:
There is no relevant updates to the technology of email that would require me to stop using pine to read it.The changes aren't in SMTP or POP, but rather the client applications. Clients today are predominately top posting. Clients years ago used bottom posting.
And my client does not determine how i read write or reply to email. I do Iain
list Josh Luthman
When I used Thunderbird or Outlook, it clearly pushes towards top posting. The cursor is at the top and the signature is just above the replied text. In Gmail it is the same way and has an option to bottom post. Hotmail and Yahoo I'd imagine is the same. I agree you can copy/paste and type in different parts of the reply, but it seems to me as though that's out of the topic.
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Josh Luthman
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XXXX Wayne St
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“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Iain M Conochie <user-c784e16a5170@xymon.invalid> wrote:
Josh Luthman wrote:There is no relevant updates to the technology of email that would require me to stop using pine to read it.The changes aren't in SMTP or POP, but rather the client applications. Clients today are predominately top posting. Clients years ago used bottom posting. And my client does not determine how i read write or reply to email. I doIain
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On Apr 28, 2010, at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
There is no relevant updates to the technology of email that would require me to stop using pine to read it.The changes aren't in SMTP or POP, but rather the client applications. Clients today are predominately top posting. Clients years ago used bottom posting.
So this decade of technological progress you were referring to is the default location of the cursor? ;) While we're on the subject, for those that don't know about it, this is awesome: http://code.google.com/p/quotefixformac/ -- Rob McBroom <http://www.skurfer.com/>;
list Josh Luthman
Pretty much. Don't you drive in the painted lines? =)
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Josh Luthman
Office: XXX-XXX-XXXX
Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX
XXXX Wayne St
Suite XXXX
Troy, OH XXXXX
“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Rob McBroom <user-371ba9bb5b75@xymon.invalid>wrote:
On Apr 28, 2010, at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:There is no relevant updates to the technology of email that would require me to stop using pine to read it.The changes aren't in SMTP or POP, but rather the client applications.Clients today are predominately top posting. Clients years ago used bottom posting. So this decade of technological progress you were referring to is the default location of the cursor? ;) While we're on the subject, for those that don't know about it, this is awesome: http://code.google.com/p/quotefixformac/ -- Rob McBroom <http://www.skurfer.com/>;
list Xymon User in Richmond
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On Wed, April 28, 2010 21:44, Josh Luthman wrote:
Pretty much. Don't you drive in the painted lines? =) Josh Luthman Office: XXX-XXX-XXXX Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX XXXX Wayne St Suite XXXX Troy, OH XXXXX Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Rob McBroom <user-371ba9bb5b75@xymon.invalid>wrote:On Apr 28, 2010, at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:There is no relevant updates to the technology of email that would require me to stop using pine to read it.The changes aren't in SMTP or POP, but rather the client applications.Clients today are predominately top posting. Clients years ago used bottom posting. So this decade of technological progress you were referring to is the default location of the cursor? ;) While we're on the subject, for those that don't know about it, this is awesome: http://code.google.com/p/quotefixformac/
Quotefix is the name of the Outlook plugin I use that does the same stuff. Probably not by the same author. Driving enthusiasts know that the most enjoyable roads don't have lines. ;)
list Vernon Everett
Top posting? Bottom Posting? Who cares? Really?
What are we trying to achieve here? Stop and think about it for a moment.
This is a forum for us to share knowledge, experience and know-how with each
other.
This forum is kept alive by posts from people who give up their time to
post. They don't have to post, they do it as a favour. A donation of time,
as it were.
Complaining about how people post to this forum, is like giving a hundred
bucks to charity, in ten dollar notes, and they complain the want two
fifties instead.
Would you give again? I know I wouldn't.
Most people on this list are pretty smart, and know how to scroll up, and
some even know how to scroll down.
You get a response to your question posted by somebody who is doing us all a
favour. Take it and be happy. Don't complain about how you got it.
That's just being ungrateful.
Regards
Vernon
P.S. This response has also been bottom-posted for your convenience.
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Josh Luthman
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<user-4c45a83f15cb@xymon.invalid>wrote:
Pretty much. Don't you drive in the painted lines? =) Josh Luthman Office: XXX-XXX-XXXX Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX XXXX Wayne St Suite XXXX Troy, OH XXXXX “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Rob McBroom <user-371ba9bb5b75@xymon.invalid>wrote:On Apr 28, 2010, at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:There is no relevant updates to the technology of email that would require me to stop using pine to read it.The changes aren't in SMTP or POP, but rather the client applications.Clients today are predominately top posting. Clients years ago used bottom posting. So this decade of technological progress you were referring to is the default location of the cursor? ;) While we're on the subject, for those that don't know about it, this is awesome: http://code.google.com/p/quotefixformac/ -- Rob McBroom <http://www.skurfer.com/>;
Top posting? Bottom Posting? Who cares? Really?
What are we trying to achieve here? Stop and think about it for a moment.
This is a forum for us to share knowledge, experience and know-how with each
other.
This forum is kept alive by posts from people who give up their time to
post. They don't have to post, they do it as a favour. A donation of time,
as it were.
Complaining about how people post to this forum, is like giving a hundred
bucks to charity, in ten dollar notes, and they complain the want two
fifties instead.
Would you give again? I know I wouldn't.
Most people on this list are pretty smart, and know how to scroll up, and
some even know how to scroll down.
You get a response to your question posted by somebody who is doing us all a
favour. Take it and be happy. Don't complain about how you got it.
That's just being ungrateful.
Regards
Vernon
P.S. This response has also been top-posted for your convenience.
list Josh Luthman
I am too safe a driver, I guess...
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Josh Luthman
Office: XXX-XXX-XXXX
Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX
XXXX Wayne St
Suite XXXX
Troy, OH XXXXX
“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Xymon User in Richmond <
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user-24d6f8323faa@xymon.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, April 28, 2010 21:44, Josh Luthman wrote:Pretty much. Don't you drive in the painted lines? =) Josh Luthman Office: XXX-XXX-XXXX Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX XXXX Wayne St Suite XXXX Troy, OH XXXXX “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Rob McBroom <user-371ba9bb5b75@xymon.invalid>wrote:On Apr 28, 2010, at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:There is no relevant updates to the technology of email that would require me to stop using pine to read it.The changes aren't in SMTP or POP, but rather the client applications.Clients today are predominately top posting. Clients years ago used bottom posting. So this decade of technological progress you were referring to is the default location of the cursor? ;) While we're on the subject, for those that don't know about it, this is awesome: http://code.google.com/p/quotefixformac/Quotefix is the name of the Outlook plugin I use that does the same stuff. Probably not by the same author. Driving enthusiasts know that the most enjoyable roads don't have lines. ;)
list Jerald Sheets
Post of the year.
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On Apr 28, 2010, at 10:07 PM, Vernon Everett wrote:
Top posting? Bottom Posting? Who cares? Really?
What are we trying to achieve here? Stop and think about it for a moment.
This is a forum for us to share knowledge, experience and know-how with each other.
This forum is kept alive by posts from people who give up their time to post. They don't have to post, they do it as a favour. A donation of time, as it were.
Complaining about how people post to this forum, is like giving a hundred bucks to charity, in ten dollar notes, and they complain the want two fifties instead.
Would you give again? I know I wouldn't.
Most people on this list are pretty smart, and know how to scroll up, and some even know how to scroll down.
You get a response to your question posted by somebody who is doing us all a favour. Take it and be happy. Don't complain about how you got it.
That's just being ungrateful.
Regards
Vernon
P.S. This response has also been bottom-posted for your convenience.list Josh Luthman
QOTD: P.S. This response has also been bottom-posted for your convenience.
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Josh Luthman
Office: XXX-XXX-XXXX
Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX
XXXX Wayne St
Suite XXXX
Troy, OH XXXXX
“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Jerald Sheets <user-96a6f34c5806@xymon.invalid> wrote:
Post of the year.
On Apr 28, 2010, at 10:07 PM, Vernon Everett wrote:
Top posting? Bottom Posting? Who cares? Really?
What are we trying to achieve here? Stop and think about it for a moment.
This is a forum for us to share knowledge, experience and know-how with
each other.
This forum is kept alive by posts from people who give up their time to
post. They don't have to post, they do it as a favour. A donation of time,
as it were.
Complaining about how people post to this forum, is like giving a hundred
bucks to charity, in ten dollar notes, and they complain the want two
fifties instead.
Would you give again? I know I wouldn't.
Most people on this list are pretty smart, and know how to scroll up, and
some even know how to scroll down.
You get a response to your question posted by somebody who is doing us all
a favour. Take it and be happy. Don't complain about how you got it.
That's just being ungrateful.
Regards
Vernon
P.S. This response has also been bottom-posted for your convenience.
list Rich Smrcina
I was trying to form words on this silly controversy, but Vernon said it all very concisely. Good job, sir. *bows*
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On 04/28/2010 09:07 PM, Vernon Everett wrote:Top posting? Bottom Posting? Who cares? Really?
What are we trying to achieve here? Stop and think about it for a moment.
This is a forum for us to share knowledge, experience and know-how with each other.
This forum is kept alive by posts from people who give up their time to post. They don't have to post, they do it as a favour. A donation of time, as it were.
Complaining about how people post to this forum, is like giving a hundred bucks to charity, in ten dollar notes, and they complain the want two fifties instead.
Would you give again? I know I wouldn't.
Most people on this list are pretty smart, and know how to scroll up, and some even know how to scroll down.
You get a response to your question posted by somebody who is doing us all a favour. Take it and be happy. Don't complain about how you got it.
That's just being ungrateful.
Regards
Vernon
P.S. This response has also been bottom-posted for your convenience.
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list Daniel L Attsi Lozovsky
Excellent. LOL ----- Original Message ----- From: Rich Smrcina <user-cf452ff334e0@xymon.invalid> To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid <user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid> Sent: Wed Apr 28 20:49:54 2010 Subject: Re: [hobbit] Top-Posting (was Re: [hobbit] Custom script shows purple) I was trying to form words on this silly controversy, but Vernon said it all very concisely. Good job, sir. *bows* On 04/28/2010 09:07 PM, Vernon Everett wrote:
Top posting? Bottom Posting? Who cares? Really?
What are we trying to achieve here? Stop and think about it for a moment.
This is a forum for us to share knowledge, experience and know-how with each other.
This forum is kept alive by posts from people who give up their time to post. They don't have to post, they do it as a favour. A donation of time, as it were.
Complaining about how people post to this forum, is like giving a hundred bucks to charity, in ten dollar notes, and they complain the want two fifties instead.
Would you give again? I know I wouldn't.
Most people on this list are pretty smart, and know how to scroll up, and some even know how to scroll down.
You get a response to your question posted by somebody who is doing us all a favour. Take it and be happy. Don't complain about how you got it.
That's just being ungrateful.
Regards
Vernon
P.S. This response has also been bottom-posted for your convenience.
-- Rich Smrcina Phone: XXX-XXX-XXXX http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2011
list Vernon Everett
You flatter me.
*blush*
:-)
Just a humble attempt to introduce some sanity and perspective to the world.
Regards
Vernon
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On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Rich Smrcina <user-cf452ff334e0@xymon.invalid> wrote:
I was trying to form words on this silly controversy, but Vernon said it all very concisely. Good job, sir. *bows* On 04/28/2010 09:07 PM, Vernon Everett wrote:Top posting? Bottom Posting? Who cares? Really? What are we trying to achieve here? Stop and think about it for a moment. This is a forum for us to share knowledge, experience and know-how with each other. This forum is kept alive by posts from people who give up their time to post. They don't have to post, they do it as a favour. A donation of time, as it were. Complaining about how people post to this forum, is like giving a hundred bucks to charity, in ten dollar notes, and they complain the want two fifties instead. Would you give again? I know I wouldn't. Most people on this list are pretty smart, and know how to scroll up, and some even know how to scroll down. You get a response to your question posted by somebody who is doing us all a favour. Take it and be happy. Don't complain about how you got it. That's just being ungrateful. Regards Vernon P.S. This response has also been bottom-posted for your convenience.-- Rich Smrcina Phone: XXX-XXX-XXXX http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2011
list Scott Ryan
amen. On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 3:07 AM, Vernon Everett
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<user-b3f8dacb72c8@xymon.invalid> wrote:Top posting? Bottom Posting? Who cares? Really? What are we trying to achieve here? Stop and think about it for a moment. This is a forum for us to share knowledge, experience and know-how with each other. This forum is kept alive by posts from people who give up their time to post. They don't have to post, they do it as a favour. A donation of time, as it were. Complaining about how people post to this forum, is like giving a hundred bucks to charity, in ten dollar notes, and they complain the want two fifties instead. Would you give again? I know I wouldn't. Most people on this list are pretty smart, and know how to scroll up, and some even know how to scroll down. You get a response to your question posted by somebody who is doing us all a favour. Take it and be happy. Don't complain about how you got it. That's just being ungrateful. Regards Vernon P.S. This response has also been bottom-posted for your convenience.
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Josh Luthman <user-4c45a83f15cb@xymon.invalid>
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wrote:Pretty much. Don't you drive in the painted lines? =) Josh Luthman Office: XXX-XXX-XXXX Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX XXXX Wayne St Suite XXXX Troy, OH XXXXX “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Rob McBroom <user-371ba9bb5b75@xymon.invalid>
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wrote:On Apr 28, 2010, at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:There is no relevant updates to the technology of email that would require me to stop using pine to read it.The changes aren't in SMTP or POP, but rather the client applications. Clients today are predominately top posting. Clients years ago used bottom posting.So this decade of technological progress you were referring to is the default location of the cursor? ;) While we're on the subject, for those that don't know about it, this is awesome: http://code.google.com/p/quotefixformac/ -- Rob McBroom <http://www.skurfer.com/>;Top posting? Bottom Posting? Who cares? Really? What are we trying to achieve here? Stop and think about it for a moment. This is a forum for us to share knowledge, experience and know-how with each other. This forum is kept alive by posts from people who give up their time to post. They don't have to post, they do it as a favour. A donation of time, as it were. Complaining about how people post to this forum, is like giving a hundred bucks to charity, in ten dollar notes, and they complain the want two fifties instead. Would you give again? I know I wouldn't. Most people on this list are pretty smart, and know how to scroll up, and some even know how to scroll down. You get a response to your question posted by somebody who is doing us all a favour. Take it and be happy. Don't complain about how you got it. That's just being ungrateful. Regards Vernon P.S. This response has also been top-posted for your convenience.
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You can read my mind ;)
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From: Vernon Everett [mailto:user-b3f8dacb72c8@xymon.invalid]
Sent: Donnerstag, 29. April 2010 04:07
To: user-ae9b8668bcde@xymon.invalid
Subject: Re: [hobbit] Top-Posting (was Re: [hobbit] Custom script shows
purple)
Top posting? Bottom Posting? Who cares? Really?
What are we trying to achieve here? Stop and think about it for a
moment.
This is a forum for us to share knowledge, experience and know-how with
each other.
This forum is kept alive by posts from people who give up their time to
post. They don't have to post, they do it as a favour. A donation of
time, as it were.
Complaining about how people post to this forum, is like giving a
hundred bucks to charity, in ten dollar notes, and they complain the
want two fifties instead.
Would you give again? I know I wouldn't.
Most people on this list are pretty smart, and know how to scroll up,
and some even know how to scroll down.
You get a response to your question posted by somebody who is doing us
all a favour. Take it and be happy. Don't complain about how you got it.
That's just being ungrateful.
Regards
Vernon
P.S. This response has also been bottom-posted for your convenience.
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Josh Luthman
<user-4c45a83f15cb@xymon.invalid> wrote:
Pretty much. Don't you drive in the painted lines? =)
Josh Luthman
Office: XXX-XXX-XXXX
Direct: XXX-XXX-XXXX
XXXX Wayne St
Suite XXXX
Troy, OH XXXXX
"Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
continue that counts."
--- Winston Churchill
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Rob McBroom <user-371ba9bb5b75@xymon.invalid>
wrote:
On Apr 28, 2010, at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
There is no relevant updates to the technology of email that would require me to stop using pine to read it.The changes aren't in SMTP or POP, but rather the client applications.
Clients today are predominately top posting. Clients years ago used bottom posting. So this decade of technological progress you were referring to is the default location of the cursor? ;) While we're on the subject, for those that don't know about it, this is awesome: http://code.google.com/p/quotefixformac/ -- Rob McBroom <http://www.skurfer.com/>; Top posting? Bottom Posting? Who cares? Really? What are we trying to achieve here? Stop and think about it for a moment. This is a forum for us to share knowledge, experience and know-how with each other. This forum is kept alive by posts from people who give up their time to post. They don't have to post, they do it as a favour. A donation of time, as it were. Complaining about how people post to this forum, is like giving a hundred bucks to charity, in ten dollar notes, and they complain the want two fifties instead. Would you give again? I know I wouldn't. Most people on this list are pretty smart, and know how to scroll up, and some even know how to scroll down. You get a response to your question posted by somebody who is doing us all a favour. Take it and be happy. Don't complain about how you got it. That's just being ungrateful. Regards Vernon P.S. This response has also been top-posted for your convenience.
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On Wednesday 28 April 2010 23:49:54 Rich Smrcina wrote:
I was trying to form words on this silly controversy, but Vernon said it all very concisely. Good job, sir. *bows*
Well, I still believe top-posting is wrong and harmful: A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? k. -- You can't hold a man down without staying down with him. -- Booker T. Washington
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On Wed, April 28, 2010 22:07, Vernon Everett wrote:
Most people on this list are pretty smart, and know how to scroll up, and some even know how to scroll down. You get a response to your question posted by somebody who is doing us all a favour. Take it and be happy. Don't complain about how you got it. That's just being ungrateful.
I think I started this, with what I thought to be a rather innocuous parenthetical "insert top posting rant boilerplate here" instead of any actual complaint about the practice. I didn't intend to kick up a controversy, and I've apologized. But neither was I asking a question, nor am I ungrateful for the information I get by mostly lurking here. As Humpty Dumpty said, "There's glory for you!".
list Malcolm Hunter
Malcolm Regards, I couldn't agree with you more >;)
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Well, I still believe top-posting is wrong and harmful: A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
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On Apr 29, 2010, at 9:27 AM, Karsten Künne wrote:
Well, I still believe top-posting is wrong and harmful:
I think most of the arguments against bottom (or interleaved) posting are based on the false assumptions that the entire message and signature will be preserved and the reply will be under that, causing you to scroll. Indeed some people do this, but it's inappropriate. When done correctly, interleaved posting doesn't require any scrolling (unless it's a big thread). It just requires you to read things in a natural order. As for the argument that top-posting makes it easier to follow a discussion… 1) I think that's partially based on the above assumption. 2) That may be true when you're right in the middle of a discussion, but think about a person reading it in the archives a month from now (whether it be you or someone else). They don't have the context fresh in their mind like you do. -- Rob McBroom <http://www.skurfer.com/>; If you need something, that doesn't mean someone else owes it to you.
list Jerald Sheets
You have to "opt-in" to bottom posting configurations in most modern email clients. The industry as a whole makes "top-posting-friendly" clients, and by and large the majority of said clients will be setup in this way by default. Now, as for those on many different lists, it's so hard to keep track of which list wants what in posting terms that it's simply undoable. It *IS* a religious war (vi vs emacs, anyone?) It *IS* not important in the grand scheme of things. It *IS* a waste to argue about it. Again, I'm eternally grateful for all the help I get on this list and am more than happy to share things when I write or discover them. That's what is important (and should remain important) about this list. I will not be (top)posting on this topic any further. I think it's wasting all our time at this point. --jms
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On Apr 29, 2010, at 9:27 AM, Karsten Künne wrote:
On Wednesday 28 April 2010 23:49:54 Rich Smrcina wrote:I was trying to form words on this silly controversy, but Vernon said it all very concisely. Good job, sir. *bows*Well, I still believe top-posting is wrong and harmful: A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? k. -- You can't hold a man down without staying down with him. -- Booker T. Washington